Trey: Hello, and welcome back to another
episode of MCU Need to Know, a podcast

dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic
Universe and everything you need to know.

I'm Trey.

Jude: I'm Jude.

How are you doing Trey?

Trey: I'm excited, man.

We're finally here at the start
of a new season and it feels so

good to be back behind the mic
for another season of review.

Jude: It's been awhile.

It's been so long.

Yeah, I know.

Can I, okay.

I'm going to ask, I texted this to you
and I should have asked between the prep,

but can I mention what my youngest said?

Go for it.

Okay.

So where are y'all recording tonight?

And it's like, yeah.

You know, and then next thing
you know, she's all like, daddy,

are you technically a recap?

Her it's like, no, we

Trey: not.

Since season one of Daredevil,

Jude: we review.

Trey: Yeah.

And

Jude: then my middle kid, like
you got to go on this field trip.

And one of the things in the field
trip, it was like, make a podcast.

I got like this QR code.

I go listen to her.

Trey: Oh, wow.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

It sure does.

Well, contrary to the April fool's
episode that we put out, we are in fact

going to be talking about moon nights.

Uh, every time there's a new season,
we always like to kind of re-establish

because we understand this might be some
people's first time viewing the show.

So if you never listen to us before,
we're going to have a section with some

quick impressions without spoilers, so
that if you haven't seen it, that'll

be a great place for you to get a taste
of what we thought of the episode.

From there, we'll jump into the
spoiler zone, where we discussed

in full detail and finally wrap up
with some listeners first takes.

So that is going to be what's
on the docket for these

next six weeks of Moonlight.

And for

Jude: the season, we already have,
um, a lot of great guests lined up.

And if you follow us on social
media, you'll already see a yellow.

A Twitch streamer is going
to join us for episode two.

Trey: Yeah.

So we've got a lot of fun stuff
in store for this season of moon

height and some more stuff yet
to be revealed in this episode.

But before we jump into that,
another thing we want to spotlight is

something we talked about last week.

Uh, we joined the Rob Logan on the geek
generation podcast to talk about the

Batman and that episode is finally out.

So if you haven't listened to it yet, we
will link it in the show notes because

it is now available for download.

All right.

So of course, if you download this
episode, then you know, we're going to be

talking about season one episode, one of
moon night called the goldfish problem.

So starting with our pre spoiler
thoughts, Jude I'll throw to you,

what did you think of this episode?

Jude: Yeah.

So in this first episode, I think I
know where they're going with it and it

looks like they're going to pull it off.

So I'm really hopeful to this is
going to take me for a wild ride.

It's kind of early to tell,
but you can see the groundwork.

Trey: Yeah, I think that's the best way to
put it kind of sticking with some of the

thoughts that I put out on social media.

It's so unsettling and lonely.

I think that was the biggest takeaway I
had is they did such great work setting

up the Steven Grant character and you
can't help, but feel we've only barely

opened the door to where they want to go.

So I'm with you.

I have some confidence in where
it wants to go and, uh, yeah,

I'm, I'm excited for what they're
going to be doing these next five.

So, yeah, so keeping it quick,
we are going to go ahead and

move into the spoiler zone.

So like we said, you're
going to hear an audio cue.

And on the other side, it'll be fair
game for all spoilers in the MCU.

We'll see you on the other side

and we're back.

So the way we're gonna handle this is
we're going to break this down into

the most important topics, starting
with this one, Stephen Grant's life.

Essentially, this is going to be the
section where we discuss all the daily,

ordinary parts of Stephen Grant's life,
or at least the way that he perceives it.

So Jude starting with you, what did you
think of this Steven Grant introduction?

Jude: I really enjoyed Oscar's performance

Trey: period.

Hands down.

Jude: Yeah, just the way though.

He just had that social
awkwardness, you know?

Yeah.

And not like, okay, he had an accent,
but like, like the full on social

awkwardness and talking to, you know,
the statue that wasn't really a statue,

the whole, you know, you see him at the
beginning, like he's knows all this stuff

and then just find out he likes, just
watch behind the cash register, you know?

Uh, yeah.

So it's just like, that
really, really sucks.

Trey: He has this strange
sense of optimism to them.

Like you can tell that as he's still
trying to figure it out what it is.

Cause obviously he's got precautions
set in place with the ankle

restraints, uh, the sand around
his bed, the tape on the door.

He understands that something's not right.

And he goes through all these
precautions, but I don't think

he fully understands yet.

Why people around him see him as
so unreliable or lazy or whatever.

And despite the world being
unkind to him, he still continues

to show kindness to everybody.

So there's almost this like
wholesome, genuine spirit to him.

That is a good contrast to the
unfortunate sides of the life that he's

living, that he hasn't fully recognized

Jude: yet.

Yeah.

Oh, well you had that part where
he was talking about the mistakes.

And leaving off two of the gods and you
know, his boss was all like, if this is

a pitch for you to be a tour guide, you
can forget, well, that's just terrible,

you know, it's crushing, crushing,
actually like, like, yeah, like it's

just a bit, but the way he did it too,
cause he was like, he was saying a

sentence and he stopped mid sentence,
but that was just crushing, you know?

Um, so yeah, that was, I loved it.

That was it.

It was classic.

Trey: Classic Steve.

But yeah, that's what I love.

That's where it hit me the most in that
moment, because despite Donna being so

fed up with him, he still helped her.

Like after finding out you've got
no room for promotion, he was still

offering up that advice because
that's genuinely interesting to him.

So he's a very sincere person.

And the other place that that's felt
for me is when he first gets to the

museum and he catches that little girl
sticking the trash in the pyramid.

It is so wonderful.

At least to me that he doesn't
like harshly recommender.

He understands that she's like not
being engaged by the things around her.

So he takes her to something
that he thinks might be a little

bit more fascinating to her
and corrects the problem with.

Really stunting that
fascination within the museum.

So I thought that was just another
moment of Stephen Grant's kindness.

And it's weird,

Jude: like there's kindness
and the social awkwardness, uh,

thinking about God, what's the
other word that I'm looking for?

Like, I want to say naive, you
know, because I'm thinking about

when he first meets Arthur, right.

And you have the scabbard.

Right.

And just the way that came across
of kind of that like naive,

scared, it's like he was trying
to channel shaggy from, Scooby-Doo

just like, yeah.

Like you're just trying to
run the other way, you know?

But like, like it, it just, it just
had that kind of vibe or feel to it.

That's it?

This moon night is the, what
do they call themselves?

The mystery van mystery squad mystery.

Mr ink.

I think that's what Moonlight is.

Mystery Inc.

There.

Trey: Well, you know what
I want to circle back.

W what did you think of the way this
show introduced us to the rituals,

such as the ankle bracelets, the
sand on the ground and the tape?

What was your read on that?

On the first display?

Jude: This show is weird because I
think I had a different, I've seen it

three times now, and I feel like I've
had a different feeling each time.

So, cause like in that first watch
and you ha I have my expectations

from what I think it's going to
be and what the trailer shows.

And so I have this idea of like,
he clearly knows something's

going on and he's trying to
prevent himself from doing that.

Right.

And that was my first.

And the second and third, I got a
much more, he doesn't know, it's

like he doesn't trust himself and
he doesn't know what's going on, but

it's not like where's the first time
it was like, I it's almost like he's.

I thought I took it as he
was aware of that happening.

And now in the second and third
watch, it's like, I don't even think

he's aware of what's happening.

It's just like this fear factor.

And I don't know what else to do.

So I'm just going to try to
lock myself up the best I can.

Trey: You know, another way I think
I would describe him, which pairs of

well with the actions you have just
displayed, he is sheepishly confident.

I think there's a contrast that
lives within those personalities of.

Why should it be careful here?

Because we are literally dealing
with multiple personalities, but the

contradiction of being both sheepish
and confident where yes, he is preparing

for something, but he doesn't know quite
what it is that he's preparing for.

So it's like this catch all solution
that he's come up with, like, and

you can see it in examples too,
where he is talking to the gold

statue, man, where he's he lets on?

Oh yeah, I don't know what to do.

So I literally try and
stay up as long as I can.

Like he has that audio thing
that he listens to about like

how to keep your mind engaged.

And he's playing with the Rubik's cube.

He's reading through
incredible amount of books.

He is doing everything he can
because he has run out of answers.

And I think, again, that adds
to that loneliness that I was

picking up and it's something.

To answer what I asked you.

It's something that like gets
rewarded on multiple viewings.

Cause at first it's like, okay, I get it.

Here's this, here's this different world.

We're getting a glimpse into.

But as we've seen the whole
episode, it's not just a glimpse.

You're getting a lived in world
from Steven's perspective.

Jude: Yeah.

So let me ask you this.

I honestly couldn't tell that
he know that it was a person

pretending to be a statue or not.

Trey: I would say yes,
because he gave him food.

When he first arrived, he's like,
oh, I forgot what he called him.

He's like, oh, here you go.

And he put it in his little hat and he was
very adamant about those people tipping.

So.

So he's, he clearly considers this
person, a friend and he's watching

out for his wellbeing again,
Steven Grant and his kindness.

Uh, and I'll go at one better.

I wrote down, I can already see
this being a running bit where he

continues to speak to this statue, man.

And then at some pivotal moment,
the statue man is going to respond.

Oh yeah.

Jude: I think you're right on that.

But I, I just feel like, I, I couldn't
tell like, there's times where it's

like, he doesn't know that's a statue.

Okay.

Well, he gave the prey links.

Okay.

So he does, but now it just, and
the reason why is because like, when

I think about what he's actually
saying, it feels like he's, he's.

Opening up and like opening up to this
person because there's no response.

So it is a statute.

Like, you know what I mean, to like,
I don't, I'm not saying things that

would say to a person and I feel
safe to do so because it's a statue.

Like that's, that's what
the dialogue made me think.

Trey: And I can see that too, because
it almost makes me wonder how much

subconsciously Steven is looking to
have those outlets for which he does

not expect a response because we see
him call his mom multiple times and

each time he's leaving a voicemail.

So I think he finds comfort in not
needing somebody to respond, but

still having that place to let go.

Jude: Well, and I did find it and I
found it also interesting because when

he leaves that, uh, that place and
the person in the pretended statue,

the shot of him walking away, I
believe is what the camera pans down.

And you see it in the
reflection in the water.

Yes.

You know?

And so, so in that, in that sense,
it's like that, that was for me

another clue of like, I'm not sure he
believes or knows that that's a person.

Trey: Yeah.

Well, we'll have to keep
a pin on that for sure.

And see where that ultimately goes.

As far as Steven's own revelations, you

Jude: know what?

We're going to hit the wrap up episode and
they're never going to come back to this.

Trey: It's going to be the
statue to moon Knight is the

beekeeper to Wanda vision, right?

Jude: Oh my gosh.

Who is that?

Is that that's my Festo.

It has no,

Trey: we can't do that.

Jude: We've seen Wanda vision.

Trey: So I'm glad you
touched on the reflections.

I do want to quickly say, I
appreciate what they're doing

with the reflections too.

You see it in the shot that you described.

You see it again, whenever he's walking
up to the museum for the first time

where the camera's in the water and he
walks past and we get the correct view,

there's a lot of work with reflection.

And since reflection is a Nate to self
and self is what this show is examining.

I maybe it's not subtle,
but I'm in love with it.

And it's a we'll I'm sure we'll have more
to say as we get further into this episode

Jude: real quick, just shout
out credit friend, Daniel.

I mean, he, something he mentioned.

Mirrors super important.

So yeah.

Trey: To go out on that limb
with you and the discord leeches.

First reaction was a give of a
dog walking past a mirror and

jumping and then running away.

And I think that's the perfect
summary of this episode.

So if you want to see that,
make sure you're in our discord.

So yeah, I think that's a good
first glance add Steven Grant

and we can go ahead and move into
the next, most important topic,

which is Arthur harrows scales.

So this is going to be dealing with our
introduction to Arthur and seeing some of

the religious fanaticism that we saw in
his scenes, as well as his conversations

with Stephen later on in the episode.

So starting with me, I want to start
in that sequence where he has all

those believers around him and he
is giving his speech about their.

And to me, I think what hits hard is that
at least from this glance at them, it

doesn't feel like it's just pure malice.

He is speaking as somebody that
completely believes this and that he

is trying to instill this wisdom about
seeking the answer of the scales.

And if you're a good person, you continue.

If you're a bad person, then you
are sacrificed to the Egyptian.

God, he believes it.

And to me, that's, that is such a
chilling perspective to come from.

And I think even Hawk is
bringing it to life in a way

that feels it's not over the top.

Like it's, it's very soft-spoken but
direct and you can feel it in that scene.

Oh

Jude: yeah.

You know, can I, I want to
talk about the opening, but it

connected to what you just said.

Yeah.

Go for it.

Right.

So like I found the opening.

First watch that was disturbing to
me, you know, again, the religion, the

religious fanaticism, I think we're
going to see a lot of, but when he's

walking away with the, you know, with
his cane and, and you just have that,

that ease and that comfort, you know, and
we know that glass doesn't bother them.

And then to come back what you were
saying of just how calm he was, but you

know, that, that calming presence and.

You know, as a cause, you know, I mean, we
you've seen enough stuff villain, right.

But he really, really

Trey: is convincing, you know, I'm
so glad you linked it back to that

beginning scene of having the glass
smashed and put into his shoes.

He walks away no ounce of pain whatsoever.

Whenever he has the trial for the man
who is judged by the scales, which

I'm forgetting, what was the name of
the, the Egyptian God that they serve?

Jude: A M M I T M

Trey: a.

So whenever they were doing the
scales for Ahmed, the relief on his

face, when that man is deemed good,
he is like, he's almost crying.

And he goes to hug him.

And he's like, thank you for
being a brave person to go first.

And on the flip side, when the woman
is deemed bad, because it may be

something she hasn't done yet, he,
he bends down on the ground and you

can see there is suffering in his
face for what has just happened.

So.

Jude: I could, I wasn't sure
how I, how I was reading this.

Was he controlling the crowd or
were they just drawn to them?

Trey: I personally do not have
enough information to know yet it is.

I can get where you're coming from,
because it feels like it is a small

town for which he is calling the
shots because you have the, let's just

call them citizens that are gathered
around him, following the belief.

And then you have the militia that also
seems like it is under his control.

So there's this two senses
that I'm picking where.

What he's doing is not right.

Where if we can put the onus on him for
taking the life of the woman when he's

doing is not right, but it doesn't feel
like there's ill will, it's not like he's

like, I'm a mustache twirling villain.

Who's going to do this.

This is just part of, of their objectives.

But on the flip side, like I said,
you have the militia for which he

also actively orders against Steven.

So I can go both ways.

Jude: Yeah.

It's one of those things where it's like,
is this a, the cult and a cult following?

And that's why they're so willing to do
what he's asking or are we going to see

some kind of more mystical mind control
because of the, the scales, you know, I'm,

I'm curious of how that scene's gonna, or.

What we're going to find
out about him and his

Trey: following.

And we already know it's a space
that the MCU has played in a little

bit with drew egg and the internals.

So it's not that far of a stretch to
see maybe them re-examining that here.

Right.

Jude: And, and that's the other
thing is, did he drain like her soul?

And what I mean by that is, is like, I
don't, I don't care the technicality,

like, like, like I don't care there,
but like, did he drain it or was

this like, he's a conduit of some
other Ahmet deity who's doing it.

So I have to that make sense.

Yeah.

So I'm not sure which one it is yet.

One

Trey: of the notes I wrote is like,
I can't believe he can perform

this ritual and broad daylight.

And nobody bats an eye like that
woman died and everybody's like, okay,

like they just kept going with it.

So

yeah, that seems to be enough
justification for everybody, you know?

And look, I know so much of the talk
about this show going into it as

like, this is completely standalone.

It has nothing to do with the MCU, but
that's part of our job is to find those

connections to the larger tapestry.

I wonder how much of this will
factor into cause, I mean, it

says that 50% nature, right.

Of a fan of snap we've already seen.

Like the Phantoms was
right mugs in Hawkeye.

We saw the flags masters who
appreciated the world before

the snap brought everybody back.

I wonder how much of having gone
through that as a population on

earth is allowing this guy to lead
people into this belief without

necessarily needing the mind control.

Right.

So I'm very curious on that.

And that's

Jude: what I mean, like, like it's hard to
tell because you have obviously what seems

to be supernatural elements, but it's
not unreasonable to F to imagine or see.

You know, this theme of religious
fanaticism and people willingly

participating, you know, in, in this.

Uh, and it's going to be interesting
because there's another thing of, they

they've introduced this thread and I'm
curious to see if they're going to pull

it all the way through this free will.

Cause like, if you're going to have
a judgment and, and for him, he

was like, he clearly didn't know.

Cause he's like, well, it must, it
must be something you're going to do.

So there was a complete trust in and
Ahmed, something outside of himself that.

Okay.

She died for something
she hasn't done yet.

So there, there can't be any freewill
or there is some knowledge, but

wherever it's coming from a future

Trey: events.

Yeah.

Cause we see later on in that discussion,
he has with Steven when he meets up with

them in the museum later, where, and
I wrote this down because I loved it.

He asks or he kind of phrases their belief
with this quote, would you wait to weed,

a garden till after the roses were dead.

And again, a hundred percent do
not agree with what they're doing,

but man, what a great line to
encapsulate what they believe.

Because in that one sentence,
you get the distillation of

that and such a digestible way.

And yeah, like you, it it's removing
the, I guess I'll go this way.

The responsibility of those lives
taken from him and putting it on.

Um, and I'm wondering.

Because in that same scene, he
talks to Steven and understands

like it's exhausting, right?

The voices that just won't leave.

And they're constantly with you.

I wonder if we'll find out with whatever.

And again, I gotta be careful
here because I understand we're

dealing with two facets here.

Stephen Grant has the disassociative
identity disorder, and there's also

something supernatural at play speaking
strictly to the supernatural part.

I wonder if we'll see whatever
supernatural things that are haunting.

Stephen had also haunted
Arthur at one point.

And so maybe that is where the separation
of what he's doing and what he's doing

in the name of Ahmed will come into play
because just to hammer that point home.

Whenever he eventually corner Steven and
is doing the exact same scale judgment

that he did for those other two people.

They show us the tattoo on his arm,
which moves, which is super cool by

the way they show that happening.

And then right before we get the final
answer on Steven, the camera pans up and

it's just his face and he is concerned
and he is like, there is chaos in you.

So there's some sort of familiarity, I
think that you can read in his space and

given the actions that he has later on
in that scene, which we'll get to later,

it makes me feel like he saw something
that he knows to be very wary of.

Yes.

Jude: Well, you know what I'm wondering.

Is this going to be not fully one-to-one,
but it kind of an Agatha Harkness thing.

Like, Hey, let me know.

No, my idea is terrible.

Nevermind,

Trey: but let me, let
me go out in the limit.

If I don't, if I don't bridge
that gap, we can cut this.

Are you talking about
like, just the level of.

Uh, here I am the ag of the
Harkness, the Arthur HARO.

I am familiar with what is
plaguing you, Wanda and Steven.

And I'm curious because I
know you can't handle it, but

I'm not ready to strike yet.

Jude: Yeah.

Maybe it's that.

Cause it would make me backpedal
was like, no, cause shortly later

he's got a werewolf after him.

You know what I mean?

Like I didn't do that right away.

Trey: Well, maybe Agatha's just smarter.

She, she really waited
until the right moment.

That's fair.

So yeah, they a very interesting stuff
and we've, we've just recently did an

episode on the Marvel villains obviously
way too early to speak one way or

the other with Arthur, but I'm very
satisfied with what they've set up here.

And, uh, Ethan Hawke looks like
he's going to be a really great

character here in this show or even
Hawk's portrayal of Arthur HARO.

I should say.

So, yeah, unless there's any more, I guess
we can go ahead and wrap up this important

topic and move into the next one.

This next one is called not quite right.

This section is where we're going to be
able to discuss everything that happens

from Stephen Grant's perspective,
that doesn't quite align with the way

that he views the world around him.

So these are all the scenes where
the people that are counting on them

are upset because he didn't follow
through the scenes where he wakes up.

And he is not in his home in London, as
well as all of the creepiness that starts

to pepper in towards the final act.

So before I throw to you, dude, uh, I want
to go ahead and set the tone for how we're

going to try and handle this, because
this is going to start to bring in a lot

of the disassociative identity disorder.

A lot of the supernatural stuff we
thought it was important to start

with this quote from the director
of this show, Mohamed Diab, and.

He says, quote, I learned a lot and
I think everyone is going to learn a

lot through the journey of the show
about disassociative identity disorder.

But I still would say that as
respectful as we are, this is

not an accurate depiction of did.

We are in a supernatural world.

And sometimes we over dramatize
stuff, and this comes from an

interview on variety.com that we'll
be sure to link in the show notes,

Jude: you know, and I'm really glad
that that's something, uh, he came

out up front and said, cause that was
one of my things where I was nervous

about it because we've mentioned it
off and on, on our pod, that mental

health is something important to us.

Uh, something.

I struggle with, and I have plenty of
people around me that struggle with it.

And so it's something that I want to
make sure or I get worried about that

it's treated with respect on screen.

So it doesn't further any
stigmas that may exist.

I'm really glad he came out ahead
of time, you know, or along with

the release of the first episode.

Trey: Yes, I I'm right there with you.

Uh it's even Oscar, Isaac has taken
it to heart and he has been reading

an account from somebody who has
disassociative identity disorder and

trying to keep in mind that perspective.

So as you said, it is
treated with respect.

So again, it's important for
us to kind of set that tone.

We're going to do our best to treat it
with respect as well while diving into

this show, all that being said, Jude, it
is your turn in this most important topic.

Where do you want to start in
the not quite right section?

Jude: I'm going to take them for a minute
and just buy into this world, right?

And I can't imagine what that would
be like for Steven this whole, he

thought it was Friday it's Sunday.

He missed two days, you know, almost
three when you consider, you know,

the time of day and stuff like that.

And the way he handled it, it was kind
of like, it wasn't a what's going on.

It was like, it felt more, oh, not again.

And w you know, and when he was on
the phone about missing the date

and then asked, and so in that way,
man, you really thrown this, this

episode and the show really throws
you just right in the middle of it.

Uh, and then same thing with, like,
when he called, I think it was Layla,

Layla called and he answered, and
he's like, Hey, I've been trying to

get you for three months, you know?

So you also get that sense of like,
how will you mentioned the isolation

and loneliness, you know, that you
give and you add on top of that,

that feeling of loss of time and
not probably fully understanding.

Or awareness, or maybe that'd
be a better way, not rather than

understanding, but having an awareness of.

What day it is, it is such

Trey: a loose grip on reality
that you can't help, but

have your heartbreak forum.

And, and just to kind of further
your point, I mean, you can see it in

Donna and I find it it's, it's kind
of amusing that the actress who plays

Donna, Lucy Thackeray has come out and
try to establish like, oh yeah, they

have been working for a long time.

Otherwise she wouldn't have
been that rude to them.

And it almost feels like kind of
this, uh, not necessarily course

correction, but trying to like, make
it seem like Donna's not as mean as

she comes across in this episode.

And what I get from that is.

You could almost understandably see
why people are so short with them,

because from their perspective,
Steven is an unreliable person, but

we know what he's going through.

And so that's why he doesn't
come across that for us.

But it is a, he is so out of sync with
the world that it's, it's, it's hard.

And I get what you're saying.

Like, I can't imagine what
that's like to have those two

days just gone kind of thing.

Yeah.

Jude: Well, and that's, I mean, that's
his daily life and, you know, I could

say I'm not, I, I didn't even say this,
but, um, I'm gonna say it this way and

maybe something, a different phrasing,
but I want to say, like, I kind of get

a glimpse of that and I think we all do.

You wake up in the morning and
you're like, oh, it's Saturday.

Like, oh crap, no, it's Friday, you know?

And then you get up and go to work, you
know, but that's like a brief moment.

And so that's not even close where
you were like, oh, what day is it?

You know?

And you're like, oh, okay.

Where this is.

Well to the point in the show where he's
having to what I'm trying to stay awake.

So I don't lose the track of time.

I'm chaining myself to the
bed, so I don't go anywhere.

You know?

And so those are levels of like
adaptation and coping skills that

you don't just randomly decide to do.

That's something that
has happened often, but

Trey: it's a bit of a red flag, isn't it?

Jude: Yeah.

Right.

Trey: Yeah.

It's it's hard.

And, and speaking of going somewhere
as much work as they are sowing of the

inability to trust the surroundings,
it only adds to the dream-like nature

when he wakes up and he is far from
London and he has his jaw dislocated,

his teeth are bloody, and he's
trying to make sense of everything.

And we have that whole entire
action sequence where we are

falling along on these exploits.

And there's something about
the way the action is shot.

And I, I don't have enough like
technical lingo or actually

enough examples to back this up.

But there's so many shots
where everything is in focus.

There's no like distant blur.

It is all broad focus.

And to me, that adds to that
dream-like feel because you're

having what is traditionally shot
in darker times, or maybe inside

buildings or just not as brightly lit.

Contrast with the daytime.

And so it just, it, everything
about it felt dreamlike

Jude: to me.

Uh, I think you're looking for a
sharp focus, might be the lingo

you're thinking of everything.

Well, you know what, it's so funny to
me, like, that's one of the things,

you know, first tangent of the season,
um, this whole new technology of like

4k and stuff, I hate the sharp focus.

There's, there's a loss of like this grit,
film, grain that makes, when I rewatch a

Marvel movie on my TV, if I don't have all
that stuff turned off, it looks that hyper

Trey: real

Jude: soap opera.

Yeah.

You know, and like I noticed that when
I saw Mandalorian season one and I

was like, this is terrible, you know?

And then when I rewatched it and it turned
all that stuff off and I was like, oh,

this looks like what I'm familiar with.

Because it just gives it that,
that to real, that hyper real look.

And I know what you mean.

I'm like that sharp hyper-realistic focus
where just everything is clear as day.

Trey: And so with this
it's that intended effect.

Yeah.

That,

Jude: that was a good catch on that style.

And I love the way they bounce back
and forth, but stay with Stephen and

they're able to get across that, like
something extremely violent happened

and it happened quick and Stephen's
just like, like a second his past

him, you know, it's like he blinks
and what, why am I holding this gun?

What, where does this, you
know, blood on my hand?

My covered in blood.

Yeah.

It's so funny.

You mentioned that.

I think it was, um, Ken and
Fernando mentioned something

about he's like y'all recorded.

Mighty and fun for you
watch Moonlight, right?

It's like, yes, we

Trey: did.

We're just psychic.

What's so funny is the, uh, just, uh,
if you haven't saw, we put out a April

fool's joke where we straight face.

No curtain is just blue.

Revered spiting is amazing friends.

Cause it's.

I tried to like, step around that joke
of like, man, I didn't believe his white

suit would be not so white by the end.

And you were like, yeah, it was so
bloody, just like right through that

makes me laugh every time I listen to.

Jude: I know, I know the examples I
gave saving private Ryan of all of them.

That's the one I go to God.

Oh

Trey: man.

So I'm glad we're getting
the debrief on that finally.

Cause we actually just put that
out today as we're recording this.

And so seeing everybody's
reaction to it has been so funny.

Yeah.

Anyway, stepping back into the episode,
you know, you talk about the way

we always stay with Steven Grant.

Even if the personality has shifted
and so many, much more capable and an

action since has come in wreaked havoc.

And now Steven is back.

This show is doing a lot of work with
horror elements and they're kind of laying

in those creepy elements, the dark and
atmospheric stuff, but what they do here

again in this broad daylight dreamlike
scenario, they take a philosophy of horror

storytelling where the great horror.

No, that your imagination can
conjure something so much more worse

than they can depict on screen.

So playing on the outskirts of just
blatantly showing you something

and let your mind be afraid of it.

They're kind of doing that here with
the action sequence instead of just

like going away and seeing somebody
take over and going into this cool fight

sequence, we're seeing Steven wake up
and the horror or something, and we get

to visually imagine what has happened,
how he got those bloody hands, how he's

driving backwards, how he was able to
get away from gun, a gun point blank.

And to me, that that fits in
with the whole horror vibe that

this episode is playing with.

It's clever

Jude: of how you don't
really see violence.

But it feels violent.

Trey: Yes.

Oh, I love the way you put that.

It's so clever.

Yeah.

It's a great way to kind of get around
the Disney plus PG 13, because it is,

it is still like shocking, but I bet
you it'd be a lot harder to pass if

we actually got to see how his hands
got that bloody and, you know, linking

that philosophy back, it goes back
to where we started of the scene.

We wake up with Stephen in the middle of
nowhere and his jaw has just dislocated.

What we're imagining happening to him
is far worse than what they could have

showed us just by how gruesome it is
to wake up with that shocked expression

and have to put your jaw back in place.

So this show is doing a great job of
juxtaposing, the harsh realities of

the violence with the I'm going to go
onto this limit wholesomeness of Steven

Grant, as he's trying to catch up with
a world that he cannot keep up with.

Yeah.

Jude: And then Joel was.

Trey: Dude that might be out there.

And one of the most gruesome things
in the MCU, and that's even taking

into account the Wanda vision,
vision missing part of his head.

See,

well, you know, going back to that
scene, that is where we get one of our

first glimpse of a disembodied voice
speaking, very harshly to Steven.

What'd you think of the voice?

Are you sending me up?

How am I setting you up?

Jude: So I wasn't a fan of the voice.

Neither.

It was good.

I thought you were like, okay.

Okay.

And here's, here's why I just, and
I was talking to my friend, Sean,

about this, uh, not captioned life.

Sean, Sean.

I work with, uh, what is it now?

Family, Daniel friend,
Daniel working Sean and work.

Sean and captain Sean.

Um, And I, I don't know if it
was my expectations, right.

Cause like I'm going into it
thinking, dude, I can't wait.

I'm going to see something
I've never seen before.

And I'm like, oh, I've watched a venom.

Trey: Okay.

This is where I'm getting
off the train with you.

And so,

Jude: and so it's like, um, yeah, I just
it's, it was disappointing in that sense.

Now don't get me wrong.

Oscar Isaac killed it.

Right.

The way he was genuinely like
struggling and walking away and torn.

Like I thought it was great, but
the voice and the interaction,

it was just like, at that point
it reminded me of watching venom.

And it was such a like tense moment.

Uh, cause also I was just surprised that
the two of them were already face to

face this early on in the show, 100%.

Arthur,

Trey: you mean?

Jude: Yeah.

And I was felt very confused, like, like
visually musically, all of this stuff,

I'm like, you're telling me I should
be, it's a tense moment, but the, the,

the way the dialogue and the way Oscar
Isaac was going, like, I felt like

you were also playing it for laughs.

Um, and maybe that was part of the
intention where like, I genuinely

felt confused of like, am I
supposed to be fighting this funny?

Am I supposed to be scared for him?

Like, like I wasn't sure
where I was, should be at, you

know, go back to sleep worm.

Yeah.

You know?

And so, and so like that's where.

I don't know if it's an expectation thing
and I thought, oh, I've seen this or what,

but yeah, like it reminded me of venom.

Trey: I can see that, you
know, I was joking about

getting off the train with you.

I can totally see that because it is
not that far off from what we see in

venom, whenever Eddie Brock is like
going through the famous lobster scene

in the fish tank where it falls for me.

Is there something about the
voice that doesn't feel finished?

It feels like a temporary thing.

That's not mixed into the episode.

Well enough, like again, it's supposed
to be this thing that only Stephen

hears, so it needs to feel disembodied.

It needs to feel other worldly.

It's just not working
for me at this point.

There is some, I don't even wanna call it
a saving grace, but there is a little nod

that I like that happened pretty quickly.

And I'm not a hundred percent
sure this is the case.

But once Stephen wakes up, quote unquote,
from this action event and he's back

in his apartment, going through his
routine, They have the TV on and there's

a documentary and there's a narrator.

And that narrator sounds a lot
like the voice he heard, I don't

think we're going to be like, oh,
that's what he just dreamed up.

But that is what they're trying to convey.

So I appreciated what they're doing,
their voice wise, but overall,

I'm still very iffy on the voice.

Right.

That's just the sound of it.

I do like the disdain that it has
per Steven, I made the joke about

like go back to sleep worm parasite.

The other one that got
me was like, oh great.

The idiot's back in control.

Right?

My daily affirmation.

Jude: No,

uh, stop that with, so have one
thing here that I, that to go

on top of my issue with the.

Okay.

My other biggest issue after the first
watch, and I didn't quite put it together

until this third watch was my same
general fear with the other shows, right?

Like, oh, this is six episodes
is going to be seven or eight.

I'm surprised they gave us a suit
already in the first episode.

And I know that we saw it in the trailer.

Right.

And there's a lot of stuff from the
trailer here, but I was just surprised,

you know, it was like, wow, how
much stuff they did in episode one?

Like they almost felt like they sped
us up through getting to know these

characters and they gave us too much.

And so that made me really worried.

Third watch though, what I realized
was how there was, it felt like

there's multiple endings and
like, and I'm marching 21 minutes.

He wakes up out of the cupcake truck fight
and it felt like an ending, you know?

And I remember pausing it the
first watch and being like, oh,

we got a lot more to go, but then
you have the, the what, the fish.

And it's like in the third watch, I was
like, no, you could have ended it there.

It felt like a natural ending because
you don't know what just happened.

And then it kept going.

And so it, but I think it, it
helped me feel what Stevensville.

And that, cause I imagine it has to be
the same thing that start and stop nature.

And you never know when something is
and when something begins, you know?

And so now on the third watch, when
I think of it, I think, I think

if that's what they're trying to
do, they did it well in a super

clever cause like, oh, whichever.

No, no.

Oh, okay.

No, you know, and so, yeah, so I, I,
I, I do appreciate that a lot more.

The third watch.

Trey: Yeah.

They've so wonderfully captured
that disorienting feeling.

And again, speaking with
that waking up moment.

As much work as they're doing with
reflections, one of the first shots

they give us back in his apartment
when he has that moment of not knowing

where he's at, it is framed in a
way where you see multiple almost

fractured reflections of Steven.

So again, great visual storytelling
they're working within that sense of

self they're keeping us disoriented.

And it breaks the moment with the look
of relief on Stephen's face when he's

like, oh my God, it was just a dream.

And the music comes in every day I
wake up and then it just continues

on with his routine until it gets
to that what the fish moment.

And so you're like, yeah, I can see
where it's that start and stop feel.

Um, yeah, it's, it's, we're about
to transition and I'll go ahead

and say this before we get there.

There is something that I
left that first impression.

Of like, okay.

The, the, the moment they built up to
is everything they've been anchoring the

marketing on the big Sudip moment, the big
beating the werewolf kind of moment thing.

So there was a bit of
that, like, okay, wow.

We got a lot in that first episode.

The thing that I got out of the third
watch is the rewards to continuity.

If that makes sense within
the story they're telling.

So for example, I didn't catch it
on the first watch, but whenever he

goes back to look at my fish, the
fin grew back, is this possible?

And the clerk's like you said this
yesterday, and that person just took

that as like, okay, disorienting.

But then on the next watch, it's
like, oh, who's ever else in charge

of these personalities is trying
to keep this other life from him.

They are trying to put things
back the way they were so that

everything can keep going with
Steven believing that he's living.

Continuous life.

So I, to put a final bow on my thoughts
here, and I think kind of in the same

place as Euro, it is very much a show
that it rewards multiple viewings.

Yeah.

Oh,

Jude: Hey, 100% on that.

Yeah.

Was that a reference to Nemo?

Trey: And it had to be, cause
she straight up says you're Nimo

friend or something like that.

Jude: Well, they brought 100 guitar dude.

That was so good.

I was like, dude, they brought up
avatar and then, and then the movie, um,

Trey: because it goes
like blue people love it.

And then he keeps going.

He's like, oh the anime.

Jude: Yeah, no, no, no.

Well, I, I was only really
referring to the enemy.

I've never seen the movie.

Um, I have too much respect for avatar.

The last Airbender to go
watch the avatar movie.

Um, I was talking about
the James Cameron one.

I've never seen it.

I don't know why at this point in
my life, I don't know why I would.

I mean Fern, goalie, Smurfs.

I'm familiar with both.

I don't, you know, I'm good.

I wonder if Katie seen, I wonder now it
makes you wonder, is Katie seen avatar?

Trey: We'll have to go check and
see if she has any like writings and

see like, Hey, if you habits are,

oh, man, moving forward.

Uh, we're going to go ahead and move into
the next and final, most important topic.

This is called the boogeyman.

This is going to take us
from the moment where.

Steven is getting more concrete details or
more concrete confirmation that the life

that he is suspicious of is actually true.

And it all culminates to this moment where
we see the supernatural take center stage.

So starting with me, I want to
start where he comes back from

the disappointment of the date.

And he is still suspicious
of that fish, not being Gus.

He drops his chocolate on the
floor and he finds the scratch

marks of the table on the ground.

And it further leads them into a
hidden compartment in his home.

And the thing that I think is so
brilliant about this scene is home

should be that place you feel to same.

And to have this moment where the one
constant that he has this place, that he

has built up all these securities to keep
him in line, to keep him feeling safe.

And he discovers that hidden place with
the phone and the second life hidden.

Oh, I've I've I feel
so bad for Steven man.

Jude: I do.

I just, I kind of giggled a little
bit, cause you're like home is

where you should feel the safest,
like he straps himself to the bed.

Trey: That's his warm sense of safety,
but can you imagine aided by all these

measures you've taken and it's not enough?

Yeah.

Jude: I don't know.

A hundred percent.

I get it.

Um, no, I get it.

So like, well, I, you know,
and this was years ago when

our house got broken into and.

That was an experience that, that you, I
mean, yes, stuff was taken, but the idea

that some stranger was going through our
stuff and the home no longer felt safe.

You know, some stranger was walking
around, uh, taking our stuff,

pictures on the wall and that didn't
humanize us enough to like, oh, I

I'm taking people's stuff, you know?

And so I can't completely, what you
mean is like, home should be safe.

And next thing you know, it's like
the secret compartment and the

cell phone and all of this stuff.

And it's just like, I'd say what's worse.

What's even worse is the phone
rings, you're holding it.

And it rings.

Trey: That was an extra level of scary
to me because I didn't quite get.

Someone was calling him.

I thought he hit the green button
to call Layla, I think is the name.

And then you hear the ringtone
is like, oh my God, there's

another phone within the rooms.

I thought somebody was about to come out.

And then on the second, I was like, oh no,
that it was just a coincidence that the

person's calling a right as he's looking.

Yeah.

Jude: And there was one name, different,
it was Layla, Layla, and a champ.

Trey: Yeah.

So Layla, Layla, Layla to channel, we
don't know a lot, a lot about Layla.

We know she is a very concerned friend,
at least that was a lot of missed calls.

Oh yeah.

But now I had to put up another
point on why all this is so

unsettling in this moment.

This really does feel where the
supernatural meets the did, because

so much of what this episode is,
is it's demonstrating is what that

daily life is like for Steven.

And then once the, you know, I
talk about all the time, the,

the, the medium of superhero shows
is taking things to the extreme.

Then you, you start to see the visual
depictions of he's looking in the

mirror, the mirror shaking his head.

No at him.

You start to see the lights flicker.

You start to see papers being
rustled and thrown about.

And this is where we get our
first glimpse of that supernatural

creature coming down the hallway.

We are in full superhero
territory now at this point.

Yeah,

Jude: that was scary.

Yes, Mike, this is, this is really,
really, I mean, again, it's I get

, but this is really, really scary
compared to what, like we've gotten

in the, anything else in the MCU.

Cause you just, you get that, the
religious fanaticism, you get the,

that cult feel the disorientation,
the thing with the hallway, you know,

coming after him and even there, when
he was like trying to get off, um,

on the elevator, down to the ground
floor and it stops and he's like,

we're still on the fifth, you know?

And so it's like the elevator, as far
as I took that, it didn't go anywhere.

Right.

And

Trey: so it rerouted almost on its own.

Jude: Yeah.

And so like, yeah, it's.

You know?

Well, and then, I mean, I know we're
not there fully, but I'm going to

bring it up is like when Arthur met
up with them at the museum, right.

Oh, wait, well that was before.

No, that was, that was it.

Okay.

Right.

So when Arthur met up with him at
the museum and just again that, that

isolation, lonely calls over security
guard, what you're within this.

And then he realizes like,
he's just surrounded by ours.

There's people like it.

It's just.

Really scary the way they're
able to put us in that as

Trey: an aside, if his knowledge
and genuine interest in Egypt,

culture and religion is not
enough to give him a promotion.

The fact that his stalker follows
him to his place of work, and he

still shows up late at night for
inventory that's employee of the month.

Right there.

There's no way I would be at work.

If after I got confronted by somebody
like Arthur HARO who threatens me, and

then there I am alone doing inventory,

Jude: but how he deserves a
race, at least race, maybe tour

to know he's in he's in London.

Maybe he deserves a blue metal.

Okay.

So if you ever go visit like London,
UK, you'll sometimes see tour guides

that have like this official blue metal.

And they're like an official,
official tour guide, like official,

like the state or something.

And they like really know what
they're doing and talking about.

That's what Steven needs.

Trey: 100%.

I'm gonna look it up now.

Get this man a blue award for a

Jude: blue metal.

Uh, yeah, the, the blue badge,
uh, tourist guides, tour guides.

Yeah.

And only know that from when I was there.

Yeah.

Trey: Yeah.

Jumping back.

I had to put a final point for as
much as the MCU has been hinting at.

I think we got a bit of it in one
division, some of that creepy unnerving

feeling with those early episodes, we've
got a bunch of talk about multi versus

of madness, wanting to be a horror film.

This feels like that first full step,
because everything you outlined with the

creature and the, the, I guess I'll just
call it the religious creature because

we don't quite have a name for it yet.

I don't think it's it's unsettling.

And I guess I'll leave it there for now.

Yeah.

Jude: Although, no, double-check,
can't have a blue badge.

Okay.

How come?

Well, as I'm doing more research in
it, like, and again, if you go to the

UK, make sure you have a blue badge,
tourist, uh, thing for London stuff.

Um, but his knowledge is more about stuff
rather than the London sites themselves.

So I don't think he would actually be
able to get the blue badge cause it's

more about London and your knowledge of.

Trey: Yeah, he might be
disqualified on that.

London

don't know why I said that.

So, yeah.

So, you know, we were joking about being
employee of the year, but eventually

we do see Steven is on his own.

He has just completed inventory.

He's shutting down for the day and he
hears something that's not quite right.

He believes it to be a dog, which
apparently aren't allowed in the

museum and he starts to investigate.

And this is what really kicks off this
final bit of the episode where the

super fantastic has taken center stage.

We get our first glimpse at what
I'm imagining is going to be one

of the primary antagonists of the
show, the, the almost Wolf flight

creatures, the way it leads up to
again, we've been hammering this.

I'm sure it'll be something we hammer
throughout the entirety of the series.

Reflection seem to be a visual.

Language of the show and we see
where he keeps walking and we see

his reflection in the glass cases.

He walks off screen, but the glass is
still there showing a different verse

of himself, standing there scared
we see it where the shadow of the

creature is coming in growling and
the camera slowly pans to his face.

And you see the reflection of the
creature and not necessarily it itself.

So I love what they're doing there.

And the other shot that I loved is
where, again, he's creeping through

the museum and the camera gets
this like high angle shot of him.

And then he turns around and
the camera moves and it makes it

look like it's not just the shot.

It's somebody watching him.

So there it is impressive filmmaking
in this first episode, for sure.

Oh yeah.

Jude: Oh yeah.

Well, in the use of the mirrors
in that last bathroom shot,

where if I remember right.

One side was mark talking
to him through the mirror.

Right.

So it was like, I think it
was Stephen's left side.

I don't remember, but I think, yes, it
had to be whichever way is orienting,

but then when that camera spins around
and you have the mirror on the other

side, you get the feeling like that.

Like one side is Steven and
one side of the room is mark.

At least I got that kind of that
feeling, but then once it stopped and

you had that moment where he lets go,
it's like, there's multiple of them.

And there's almost like here's an
infinite number, uh, kind of thing.

And it just, it was so well done.

Right.

Of, of having all those
layered and put it that way for

Trey: as much work as they're doing with
this fractured personality within the

reflections, it is, it feels intentional
that that is a unified moment where

the camera finally centers, you see the
infinite versions of themself, all I

think for the first time of that scene
aligned within the same visual movements.

And then he becomes Moonlight.

Yeah.

100% has to be intentional, I think.

Yeah.

So what did you think?

I know we've seen this Sudip within all
the marketing, but what did you think

of finally see it not in a quick cut.

This is just the entirety
of the scene at once.

Jude: I, I liked the way they kept with
the, you see the suit and they were able

to maintain a level of violence without
having to show it because it came out

and, you know, you have this werewolf
type thing that's really menacing.

Right.

And chasing them.

And as the camera comes down and you see
a sink being thrown out, and then you see

the Wolf, like trying to escape, you know,
drag back in and then you don't really

see the beating because of the cave.

Um, so I thought all of
that was super well done.

And you get that reveal.

And, and I think such a way that
there's still more to be seen.

Right.

Trey: We we've got like the taste, but we
do not have the full understanding yet.

Jude: Yeah.

So that's a good way to put it.

Yeah.

You know, there was, there was a
couple of things about it, visually

the, uh, the, the effects and I'm
just like, that didn't look great.

Um, to be honest,

Trey: um, what was it when he was standing
up fully in the Cape was kind of flowing?

Jude: No, I thought two things a,
when he was on the ground hitting

and he had the cave in the back, it
looked like more TV show than movie.

I was actually, you know, kind of
surprised that I got that feeling.

Um, but the worst one, um, and, and
take that for the grain of salt, right.

It wasn't bad at all that as the camera
pushed in and he's standing up and

turning around, this is super nitpicky.

But the water that was like splashing
off on the right side of the screen

that like, just something about
it jumped off the screen at me.

Like, um, and, and as soon as I bring it
up, because, because I like noticed it,

like it took me out, you know what I mean?

There was something about
it that just felt CGI.

And that's the first time I
think in a while that I can

remember something in a Marvel.

Feeling CGI.

Yeah.

Um, and again, nothing against the show.

Like it just, it, it, I know that
definitely stood out to me, so

Trey: yeah.

You know, leading into it.

Cause I talked about it whenever
we quickly discussed the moon

night trailer when it dropped.

And I mentioned how I wasn't
a fan of the glowing eyes.

I don't know if maybe it's
just like a placebo thing.

Having seen it all in one go, instead of
just like the quick cut of the trailer,

it feels like the eyes aren't glowing
as brightly as they were in the trailer.

So it feels a little bit better to me.

Cause that was one of the complaints I
had in that Sudip scene was just, there

was as cool as the suit itself looked.

I didn't like the glowing eyes bit.

It worked for me here.

You know what?

It honestly kind of reminded
me of that whole sequence.

It felt very much like the incredible hook
because so often the hook goes to that.

Well, whereas.

They go to the absolute last second of
like, oh no, Bruce banner has transformed.

And then the

Jude: cutaway jumped and dove on him.

Yeah.

Trey: Yeah.

And then the camera cuts away
and you cut back and he's in the

thing, like handling the situation.

Yeah.

So I like that kind of inspiration for it.

Yeah.

Jude: Well, you know what?

They fix the eyes, right?

Why Kevin foggy, superfan,

Trey: man, Trey made such
a stink about the truck.

We can't piss them off this season.

Jude: Right?

They, they, they heard our
mood night, quick reaction in

the first part of an episode.

And when we did that and that's
all Trey would talk about the eyes,

Trey: get on it.

Listen, man.

Jude: I like what I like.

We are MCU free labor.

Okay.

He listens to us, makes the
adjustments off the trailer.

I

Trey: called it with the bloodiness
of the episode without having seen it.

So clearly we're on the
pulse of Kevin's mind.

Jude: Kevin listens.

Well,

Trey: I think that about covers it for
this episode, unless you've got any more.

You want to throw in here before
we move on to our listeners first

Jude: takes, let's see
what the listeners have.

Trey: Yeah.

So if you don't know, every week
on social media, we are going to

be putting out posts that will ask
what you thought of the episode.

It's a great way for you to get a
first glimpse of what we thought.

Our first impressions, the day, the
episode releases, if not the day after.

Uh, so yeah, I mean, now we're going to
read through some of these and the first

one comes in from Ken on Twitter and it
reads quote, great first episode though.

I largely feel the same
when I saw the trailers.

Definitely hooked and intrigued, but.

Not sure on who, what is moon night?

Oscar.

Isaac is amazing in quote.

And so I did a little bit
of editorializing here can

totally use shrugging emojis.

So that's why I stuck it on that part.

But I agree.

I, I, you know, I mentioned on the
Twitter account that they definitely

kinda like what I said, they gave us a
first taste, but we don't really have an

understanding of everything quite yet.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, and that's the other thing we
have this knowledge that they released

four episodes to the critics, something
that they haven't done at all.

Um,

Trey: which if you're not aware of
that, be wary when you're out there

on the internet there, a lot of
people have four episode knowledge.

Yeah.

Jude: Yes.

You know, they offered us like the
entire series and we're like, no,

no, we want to be with the people.

We'll watch it one at a time.

We don't want to get the big hit.

I mean, the fact that Kevin listens, he

Trey: was so disappointed too.

He really wanted our notes.

I know.

Right.

Jude: Next time, we're going to
remember where we come from a sculpture

underscore project at Instagram.

Just wash it again.

I'm all the way on board.

Uh I'm with you.

I like it.

It sounds weird.

Cause like you want to have a
friend, Sean, Sean asked me,

it's like honest question.

Do you think that you, since doing the
pod, you have a harder time enjoying.

You know, and are you always
looking for things now?

And obviously it's a little bit about,
like, I try to have the first watch

be mine, but this one, for sure.

It felt more rewarding
on that second and third

Trey: watch.

It's always interesting on that
same vein of like, you know,

how do you watch it for you?

How do you watch it for the pod?

And the answer is just multiple viewings.

And I don't think, I don't think you can
be all the way on board, like skull face

without washing it multiple times there.

Yeah.

This next one comes in from Ben dot
Maddie on Instagram and it reads,

it's a very one division start full
of confusion, character development.

And we'll building that will
hopefully pay off later.

I'm very excited to see where this.

And again, that's more in line with
kind of what we got here, as well

as what we've detailed in our notes.

We're excited and we know there's
still more to be discovered.

So I think that's a good place for
this episode to be rather it, rather

than the flip side where it's like,
all right, we got to figure it out.

Episode one, here we go
for the next five weeks.

Jude: Uh, last one, this
show is deeply unsettling.

Something MCU had not done
before, except one division.

Those first episodes where you're
watching black and white happy TV,

but underneath it was all ominous.

A moon night is clearly darker
and I like it, friend Daniel.

Um, and this time it's from the discord.

So yeah, like I'm with you.

Like it's, I'm really
like the comparisons.

I'm hearing Towanda vision and
Wanda vision and Hawkeye right

now are my favorite Disney plus.

Hawkeye cause I just, it
was such a good story.

Love Kate, Bishop love Yulaina and all
of that, uh, one division, just because

of how creative a swing they took.

I just love the concept.

And I feel like in the end, or like
my appreciable thoughts that if I

think they're doing what I think
they're doing, man, in the end, we're

going to look back and see just, wow,
this was super big swing, creative.

Trey: You know, the thing with Wanda
vision and something I saw as a

common lament, as we moved further
away from it, we never quite captured

that mystery box feeling when Wanda
vision, every week it was speculation.

What's going on?

What's happening?

What does this mean?

Oh, rewatching this and that
it again, only one episode.

It feels like we're on the cusp
of that with Moonlight, right?

So very apt comparison.

Both we've been Maddie and Daniel.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, and the thing where Wanda vision,
edges out, everything is there's no

other place you're going to get drunk.

Trey: Well, yeah, that's going
to do it for the first takes

that we got on this episode.

So again, thank you for
all those that reached out.

It's always a blast to get to
read those here on the podcast.

And if you want to get in on that
and make sure you're following us at

MC you need to know both on Twitter
and Instagram, uh, we will post our

first impressions, which will be
the cue for you to join in as well.

But we're doing something new this season.

Again, we know not everybody
is on social media.

So we're going to try putting this
number out that you can call and

leave a voicemail for what you
thought of the episode as well.

And we'll go ahead and insert those
into the episode if we get some.

So if you want to leave your
thoughts in audio form, you can

call the number (512) 893-1355.

And that will be a great
place to share your thoughts.

Yeah.

Looking forward to here.

Yeah, that's going to be so fun.

That's something that we want to
incorporate more into the podcast,

not just with listeners first take,
but we're going to dip our toes in

the water with this first approach.

So be sure to share your thoughts.

Absolutely stay tuned next week.

We'll be back with our thoughts on episode
two and we will be joined by the wonderful

.
Jude: And of course, when you
get to the show notes and scroll

down, you will find the number of
trade just said for our voice in

call and the link for our discord.

Join a wonderful community that talks
about MCU and wide range of things.

The best thing you can do for us to
share with a friend and leave a rating

and review apple podcast or Spotify.

Trey: Yeah.

We'd also like to thank Nick Sandy for
the use of our theme song, which is

his rendition of the Avengers theme.

You can find more of his work
on a SoundCloud, which is linked

in the show notes as well.

That's going to do it.

Thank you so much for listening and Jude.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you tray.

We'll see you all next week.

yeah, I'll need to redo the
outline template, but yeah.

Are

Jude: we putting the
number in the show notes?

We can.

Okay.

I'm

Trey: just curious because you
also need to double check that.

Just in case I didn't say it.

Jude: Right.

Okay.

Um, the only reason why I'm asking you
to put in the show notes is because

if we are, I'll scroll down, I'll say,
you know, when you scroll down, look

for the discord link, you will, as
like when you scroll, you will also

see the number, uh, for the call-in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh, and that number is
5 1 2 8 9 3 1 3 5 5.

Trey: Cool.

Yeah.

So I got that, right.

It'd be so dumb if we put the
episode out and I read the number,

I saw you rolling your

Jude: eyes at me, you know, I know I did.

Uh, but you know, it'd be really funny.

What's up.

Um, if we put the wrong number.

And some person in Austin
is getting these phone calls

with these episode takes who the heck is.

Trey: We're going to create
our first enemy of the show.

Darn UMC.

You need to know,

Jude: man.

Trey: Okay.