(No Spider-Man Spoilers!) Top Five Marvel Scenes of 2021! + Special Guest Tara (There Was An Idea)
Trey: Oh, Hey, if you're listening to
this, then that means you're listening
to the special cut of Monday's episode.
That is scrubbed free of
Spiderman, no way home spoilers.
So we're well aware.
Not everybody can make it out to
the theaters, given Ahmad Cron and
everything else with COVID right now.
So we want it to be conscientious
and give people a way to listen to
the episode without fear of spoilers.
Uh, there was a lot of great reflective
moments of 2021 that we had with our
guests TK, and we wanted as many people
to be able to listen to it as possible.
So rest assured if you're listening
to this episode of our top five
scenes of the MCU in 2021, There are
no Spiderman, no way home spoilers.
It is important to note that
this is dropping the same day.
Eternals is hitting Disney plus.
So if you're not caught up with
that, there is one specific
reference to that movie.
But I will say no more, make
sure you have seen that.
Or if you're not too
concerned, then listen away.
So once again, uh, there
are no spoilers here.
You're gonna hear it.
Kind of awkward cuts because this
was recorded with spoilers in mind.
So bear with us because there are
some quick cuts, but rest assured
there are no Spiderman, no way
home spoilers in this episode.
Hope you enjoy
Hello and welcome back to
another episode of MCU.
Need to know a podcast dedicated
to the Marvel cinematic universe
and everything you need to know.
Jude: I'm Jude,
Trey: how are you doing Trey?
Well, dude, I'm excited because today the
pod vendors get to assemble once more.
She's an expert at distilling the
insights and highlights of all the
latest MCU projects and the fantastic
host of there was an idea we may or no
apology for today's impossible task,
but more importantly, we're delighted
to welcome Tara, back to the podcast.
Welcome back to UK.
Hi trains you.
Thank you so much for
having me on the show again.
And this is such, we were
just talking about it.
This is such a fun
challenge to have to choose.
Five scenes from the MCU this year.
It feels almost impossible, but just
the whole process of thinking through it
again and revisiting some favorite scenes
from the year was just so delightful.
So I'm so excited to do
Trey: this with you guys.
It's super excited.
I'm so glad you could join.
Jude: Like I was saying,
I was just nervous.
You know, I I've taken some inspirations
from one of my favorite podcasts
or where they do like their top
five favorite games of the year.
And the thing that always makes it
so exciting is that most places do
top tens and to distill it down to
just five makes it that much harder.
And I'm curious to see how
this is going to play out.
I'm I'm wondering how much overlap
we'll have as well as how diverse
these may end up being as well.
More importantly, uh, for those who
are unaware, you run the podcast.
There was an idea of Marvel
cinematic universe podcast.
Uh, if people are not familiar,
uh, normally you cover the shows
that happened to be running
as long as well as the movies.
It's going to be a while before
we have anything new in the MCU.
So what's on the docket
for there wasn't any.
Tara: when this episode of your show
drops, my episode on my 2021 MCU
year in review episode will be out.
And that was really fun.
I didn't distill it to five scenes like
we're doing here, but I did choose a
few categories for some super relatives.
So I had on a Ellie from, oh, shoot,
who I know has been on your show
before, as well as Sean from the
caption life who I know is a kind of
in our circle of, of podcasts, friends.
I don't know if you guys have had
the chance to work with him yet.
Um, but they came on and we talked
about some supper relatives for 2021,
our rookie of the year, our MVP, best
quote, best dress, things like that.
So that was a fun approach to thinking
about the, you know, reflecting on
the past year in the MCU as well.
So look out for that.
And I'm also going to be doing.
This month on my top 20
favorite films of 2021 overall.
So both MCU films and non MCU films,
which is a little bit of a departure for
me, but I'm looking forward to branching
out a little bit and, uh, sharing some
recommendations about things that I
really enjoy that are not necessarily MCU.
And I will also be doing a Hawkeye
series retrospective and an Eternals
deep dive analysis with friend Daniel
coming up later in January as well.
So some exciting things looking
back a little bit, uh, before
then looking ahead to what the MCU
will bring us in the rest of 2020.
Jude: That's awesome.
I'm glad you said yet for Sean.
Cause we in the works
Trey: and you know, I want to
say you talked about this recent
episode that just came out.
There's been this funny timing that
every time we've had you on, it happens
to be the day you released an episode.
And so I haven't gotten to listen to
it yet, but I'm very, very much looking
forward to it because as evident in the
drafts that we've done together with
you, and in the way you just described
your super purlative, uh, categories, I
love the different and creative ways you
come up with those superlative names,
Sarah, very much looking forward to that.
Tara: Thank you.
I'm looking forward to hearing your
picks as well when you do listen to
the episode, because it was cool to
see how they're just like you were
saying before Trey, there were some.
You know, particular characters or moments
where the three of us, myself, myself,
Sean, and Ellie were all kind of, of
the same minds about certain standouts.
And then there were some where we
had vastly different responses.
So it's always kind of cool to see
what stands out for certain people and
what patterns emerge kind of among all
of us as viewers and fans, uh, versus
more of that personal taste element.
So it's a.
Trey: And of course, if you are
not already, you should definitely
be subscribed to Tara's podcasts.
There was an idea, a Marvel cinematic
universe podcast on most podcasts
platforms, as well as following them
on social media at an idea, underscore
podcasts, both on Twitter and Instagram
very much worth the following.
But of course, if you downloaded this
episode, then you know, we are going to be
discussing the best Marvel scenes of 2021.
Now, the way we're going to do this is
we're going to take some moments for
some brief overall thoughts of the year
with the MCU before jumping into the
spoiler zone to discuss our personal
top five scenes from those same entries.
So starting with you, Tara,
what did you think about 2021.
Tara: well, when I sat down with
Sean and Ellie, actually, I, I
wasn't sure what to say about this.
So I kind of posed it to them, uh,
first asking them about, you know,
what, what are the qualities that
stand out about the MCU in 2021?
And there were a few things that
emerged out of that discussion about.
Uh, some trends that we're
seeing in where the MCU is going.
And, uh, certainly in some of the standout
installments that were released this year,
that I don't think people are going to
forget about anytime soon, whether that
be for breaking records in a really a
positive way, like let's say Spiderman,
no way home and shattering pandemic box
office box, office records among others.
Uh, and then you have on the other
end of things, a film like a terminals
making headlines for having the
first ever rotten score on rotten
tomatoes for an MCU film, you know,
for whatever that's worth to anybody
who that may be worth something too.
But, you know, it was part of
the discourse around that movie.
So we, we have that.
And for me though, you know, what
I'm always looking at is conceptually
in terms of the big ideas in terms
of the, there was an idea about
what is 2021 saying, and from.
Looking at the installments that we saw
this year, I'm looking at this concept
of legacy, this bridge storytelling
of connecting the infinity saga and
old favorite characters with the new
kind of leading us into whatever our
next big destination is going to be.
Whether that is going to be a, a new, big.
Villain along the lines of banjos,
whether that's going to be the
multi-verse, uh, opening up further
and what that's going to look like.
I really see 20, 21 as this bridge.
And I, um, was really interested in
seeing what this year had to say about
our heroes identity stories, because
that's something that I'm always really
interested, interested in as well.
And this was a big year for characters
coming face to face with themselves.
Uh, certainly metaphorically and,
uh, also sometimes literally in
the case of some of our heroes.
So I thought that was a really
cool, cool trend that emerged
Jude: as well.
I, I say I like that you bring that
up cause it's man like going all
the way back to Wanda vision through
that's it's it seems like the big
villains have been this conceptual.
Idea, our feeling or emotion, um,
less than just a simple person.
And, and that that's, like you said,
forced these characters to take
a really hard look in the mirror.
Trey: I like the way you have described
it as a bridge from the infinity
saga to where they want to go next.
Um, because if I, you know, jumping
in here with what I felt about the
year overall, it really feels like an
ambitious step forward for the MCU,
because I think the standout for the year
is Disney plus because that is the new
arena in which they are working with.
Like they've already got the movies down
to a science, and there's never been a
doubt with that when it comes to what
they're doing, but the strides that they
have made with the entries of the TV show
side of things, Yeah, it's, it's hard to
say where exactly that's going to fit all
together because I don't think we've quite
seen an integration to the movies yet.
Although I have a feeling that's
coming this year, but the first
step of the Disney shows being as
good as they've been that year.
Um, it's, it's felt incredibly ambitious
and I'm excited for what they have coming
Tara: about Disney plus I think that is
also going to be a, an unforgettable, uh,
distinguishing factor about 20, 21 in the
MCU, because that experience of being able
to follow the installments in week to week
releases generated so much conversation.
And as we know, speculation and
prediction and a sense of community
at a time when, during the pandemic,
I think that felt very resonant.
Um, and I definitely think
that that is always going to
be part of the conversation
when we look back on 2021 and.
Evaluate the success of the
Disney plus side of the MCU.
I think that as you said, traits, it's,
it's bold, it's risky to change up
the style of storytelling and then to
try to interweave that style with what
they've already done so well for so
many years and, you know, so far, in
my opinion, I think it has been really
So one of the things I'm curious
about is do you feel like,
um, and I'll just say, right.
I don't think it has, for me, the COVID
had kind of a negative impact on, on the,
on the viewing order and the change, or
do you think that actually helped it?
Trey: cause originally
Falcon in the winter soldier.
Was this supposed to be the first
Disney plus show and I think that.
Would have been after black widow, right?
I think, and this is where
my own bias is coming in.
I think the fact that COVID did shake up
the schedule and a Wanda vision was the
first thing to come out of Marvel studios,
not just on Disney plus, but just overall
from the movies are the TV shows I think
has cemented such a solid re-entry after
having such a long hiatus because of the
unfortunate delays with, with COVID that I
don't know if that would have been as big
of a shockwave across the, the internet,
whenever one division started, if it would
have been Falcon in the winter soldier,
because one division captured everybody,
like even people who weren't into the MCU,
everybody was talking about that show.
Um, so I think, I think, yeah, that the,
the rescheduling of the release has, um,
made a huge difference with the original
I can't imagine one
division not having been.
Disney plus show, I think in terms
of the reception of black widow,
I think, and y'all know how kind
of protective I have over them.
So I, I think that it, it certainly
suffered not only from the many delays
and the fact that as many people,
many people understandably believe
that the character should have had
her own standalone film much earlier.
And I agree with that as well.
I don't think it harms this film
in the same way that others do.
But in addition to the delays, I do think
the shift in black widows placement, I
think it suffered for it a little bit.
I think the impact of it, the
reception of it suffered a little bit.
I think also the simultaneous
theatrical and Disney plus.
Yeah, it's suffered from.
Um, so that is something that looking back
on it, I, I kind of wish it went a little
bit differently for that movie, but I 100%
agree with everything that traces in terms
of the Disney plus side of things like it.
I cannot imagine it being anything other
than one division because it was just
so perfect that one of that one division
was that love letter to TV, and really
played with the serialized format.
Trey: So well,
I completely agree with you on, on
both the accounts, the one vision
and the black widow, you know,
it was just such a fantastic way.
Uh, to kick it off now I know
Trey would, would, um, you
know, he held back a little bit.
I think he wanted what F to be first, um,
get it out, just get it out of the way.
Trey: yeah, you know, it would have
been like a nice little 24 to 28
minute morsel of MCU to start out
after having nothing for so long.
We've been a great way to ease into it.
Well, with that being said, I think
that's a good overview of how we
thought about the MCU in 2021.
And I think it's time to jump into
the spoiler zone so we can talk
about our top five scenes of 2021.
So like we said, you're
going to hear an audio cure.
And on the other side, it'll be fair
game for all spoilers in the MCU.
So with that being said, we'll see.
On the other side
and we're back.
We have five TV shows, four
movies, a total of nine projects.
We have to pick the five best scenes
from these entries and Tara again,
Jude: made it worse.
Trey: Listen, it's part of my job.
I got to, I got to hype this up
Jude: call lifeline
I am so sorry, but to throw
to you first, what is your
number five top scene in 2021.
Tara: All right.
So I mentioned before we started
recording that coming into this discussion
tonight, I had six on my final list.
And so I am going to cut number six
for now, and I'll mention it in a
little bit as an honorable mention.
It was really tough.
And even just thinking about choosing
scenes for me, I was texting you
guys about this earlier today.
I was like, oh, do I go with
the thinking part of my brain?
Or do I go with like my feelings?
Am I going with the scenes that upon
reflection upon rewatch feel like they
say something that connects to these
overarching themes of 20, 21 in the MCU?
Or do I go with things?
I just really in the moment
felt really strong, right?
Like, um, I was talking with Sean
the other night for my episode.
And he was choosing, we did our
top favorite scene on that episode.
So I've had to choose one
already and stick to that one.
But one of the things that he was
talking about in, in choosing his scene
was that he was going with like the
visceral reaction he had in the moment.
So I try to land with some combination of
both thinking and feeling here, and that
is all to say that I'm providing far too
much context for just getting into it.
But my number five scene is going to be
from Hawkeye season one, episode three.
Clint's phone call with his son,
That is an incredible choice.
Jude: That is a really,
really good choice.
Trey: So I
Tara: chose the scene because it
really made me feel for a character
who I previously didn't have a deep
connection with and a character Clint,
who has been in the MCU for so long.
And I've enjoyed some of his scenes.
I've poked, funded him in
other places, but I didn't
have that connection with him.
And here we have the scene in
2021 where I'm like, oh, I get it.
Like, I thought it was beautifully
acted by Jeremy Renner.
So much of this year has been about
recontextualizing what came before for
me, I think a lot of the installments
this year, Have really done a great
job, especially the Disney plus series
of filling in some gaps for us in
really being able to zoom into certain
characters and understand them better.
And with a, so think about a show like
monovision, for example, after seeing
that you go back to, or I go back to
a film like age of Ultron and it feels
better, like it recontextualizes it.
And there's more that
I appreciate from it.
So with Clint here, this
really operated in that way.
And not only that, um, so I felt like
it, for me emotionally, it did something
to me as a fan that I wasn't necessarily
expecting in making me connect with him.
Um, but it also was really important
for the narrative of the Hawkeye show
because it's kind of the scene, I
think is a bit of the same piece as
the car chasing, which I almost chose
in the same episode, the car chase
scene, because in that scene, you see.
Clint kind of teaching Kate without
teaching Kate it's, it's her learning
from him, the trick arrows on the
fly, in the middle of the action.
And that's all of the cool
stuff about being a hero.
That's the rush.
That's the exhilaration, the scene
where she's watching him on the
phone with his son and helping out
because he can't hear anything.
That's the scene in which she
learns about what you can lose.
Uh, that's the scene in which he's
demonstrating to her indirectly.
The other side of what's involved in being
a hero, the risks and the sacrifices.
And she hasn't learned it yet,
but it's set up here to unfold
for the rest of the season.
So it's just wonderfully
acted on both of their parts.
And I, um, yeah, I had to have
it on my list because it, it
just, it really spoke to me.
Jude: No, it's a fantastic scene.
That was a man that should
have been on my list.
That was hard.
Cause there's so much stuff to leave
off because it was heartbreaking for me.
Uh, it's a watch to watch that, uh,
I am a dad, you know, and have kids.
And so like, I, I really related to that.
Uh, but also my parents divorced when I
was really little and not the deaf part,
but like, I remember being the little
kid on the other end of that phone call.
Uh, and so like, so yeah, like that, that
scene was really, really meaningful to me.
Trey: 100% a great pick and
definitely I'll reveal too.
One of the ones that didn't make my
top five, that just made me so sad
that I couldn't find a place for it.
But, uh, you know, I like the way you
talked about how this was a character,
that wasn't something, it wasn't something
that resonated with you before this.
And I mean, that's what stories are right.
There are about change.
And sometimes that's within the character
narrative, or I think within the
perception of the external audience.
And so watching the audience at
large go from being unmoved by
Hawkeye to now referring to them as
Clint Barton, more widely that is
speaks through the power of that.
Tara: I just add one more thing too.
I feel like I've already talked
about the scenes too much about
that one scene too much, but I love
that this is his son, Nate as well.
And, and we have seen their relationship
with his daughter, which is also
really powerful and he has his other
son, but maybe this is black widow
Stan in me coming out a little bit
too much, but this is Nate, right?
Like Nate is named for Natasha
and Nate is his youngest.
And there's so much of the
weight that he's carrying from
Natasha, the loss of Natasha.
And I just feel like that it made
it just that little, extra bit
more emotional to me that it's
specifically him who on the phone
Jude: and how well that worked out.
Like, you know, maybe they were
playing that way out, back at the age
of Ultron because it was that scene.
How's little Natasha and she's pregnant.
And she says, it's Nathaniel.
Uh, to be able to call back to that.
Jude, what about you?
What is your number five tops,
Jude: man, I'll be honest, listening to
Tara's qualifications and thought process.
I made a quick rearrangement.
I was like, oh, wait.
I'm number five.
And I feel like, like, I'm going
to be the Nita redemption episode.
Um, cause thinking about the draft the
first time and the movies I ended up with,
although I was still happy with what I
had, um, You know, but my number five,
Trey: but moving along, we're
now circling back to you, Tara,
what is your number foreseen?
Tara: Okay, so at the number
four spot, I have a C.
From Sean MACI and the
legend of the 10 rings.
It is the scene during which Sean, she
and Katie are on the bus in San Francisco.
And it's the first big
action scene in the film.
Well, the first actions she, excuse
me, the first action scene with shonky
obviously there's the, uh, the prologue
to the movie with his father when we, but
I chose this moment because it was tough.
I really, really love the
sequence of scenes in.
Um, in, in Cianci as well, but I chose
this one because this is our moment of
introduction to a new hero, seeing the
way that he fights the way he uses his
clothes and the props around him and
that sort of Jackie, Jackie Chan style,
um, seeing what it is that causes him to
spring into action in this moment, which
is his concern for his friend, Katie.
And we talked about this Trey, when
you and I did the deep dive episode
on Sean, Kai, the way that that film
uses the action sequences to express
or demonstrate something about the
characters is really, really well done.
This is also the scene in which we see
the pendant on, on his chest, which
is this significant objects for him
representing his connection to his mom.
And this is before we really learned
about his full story in his past.
And there's that moment in which
Katie just looks at him after he's
been able to beat off these guys.
And she's just like, holy shit.
Who are you?
And that's the question of the movie.
Um, so I think it's just to me, it's
like such a well-done example of what
the MCU is all about and what the
MCU does so well, this combination.
Just like you can't take your eyes
off of it and be thinking about that
visceral, visceral reaction criteria here.
Like the first time I saw this in the
theater, I was like, oh my God, just
like watching the scene as the bus
is traveling along and they're moving
from the front towards the back of
the bus and the music is incredible.
And, um, it's just that comedy, there's
humor in the scene with the guy, what's
his name, cliff, the YouTube guy.
And, um, and there's,
it's just fantastic to me.
It's like prime, what the MCU can do
and watching the behind the scenes
of it in the assembled documentary
was pretty awesome as well.
Trey: Yeah, the moment you said
Shung G I had the biggest smile on
my face and it's an amazing pick.
And just to like, add in that space,
like the, cause we, like you said, we
talked about it a lot here on this show
and on your show that we did together.
And I can't stop thinking about the,
the way one of my favorite podcasters.
Jeff, Kanada talked about it on
the film cast, which I think is
the summation of everything that I
tried to convey about that scene.
So often superhero stories are about
the person learning who they are.
Shonky knows who he is and
he's been running for it.
And the way that this demonstrates
who he is to everyone else, except
him who already knows is beautiful.
So I went a hundred percent.
Love your pick.
I want to watch it right now.
Jude: Yeah, I was going to say, I
think Sean, she is the tray with
black widow is to, to Tara here.
Tara: I think that's a good analogy.
All right, dude.
Uh, what about you?
When is your number four pick?
Jude: All right.
Let's put all my, the rest
of the remaining selections
of the random generator here.
Um, Number four is I haven't titled
Yulaina and Kate Bishop meet cute.
Um, or where they meet at the apartment.
This is one of those scenes that I've
probably watched more than any other.
Well, I'd probably let's put
it this way if you counted.
And like back to back the number of
times, and just there might've been
the length of an episode or more
like, I just, I keep going back to
the scene and going back to the scene.
Um, and I don't know at first I wasn't
sure what, uh, struck me so much about
the scene and, you know, outside of the
chemistry, it was phenomenal, but it came
to me that seeing this is what the future
of the MCU is going to be, you know?
And there was this, I dunno for everybody
if it's on the fan, but for me, for sure,
with the end of in game and this kind
of, oh, where are they going to go now?
Don't have Robert Downey Jr.
You don't have, um,
sculpture Hanson anymore.
You know who these new
characters going to be?
What's it going to be like in the, in
to see these two brand new characters
interact, um, and have such chemistry,
it just, it just made me so excited
for what the future is going to be.
Um, so yeah, that's, that's,
that's why this is in, uh,
Trey: Love that pic.
And I gotta be honest.
I've been trying to guess what I
think is going to be everybody's
favorite scene they're number one.
And I legitimately thought that was
going to be number one, just because
of how much that I, cause I knew
cause we would talk about it as we
were getting ready for our podcast.
How much you had that on repeat.
So, uh, very happy to
see it make you listen.
I, and for all the reasons listed, I
think, uh, I think it's a great pick.
Tara: You spoke about it because I don't
have it on my list and I, I don't know
why I just needed to make room for other
things because I think it's clear how
much I love Julina and Kate and Hawkeye
and black widow and the whole thing.
So everything you said, Jude, I completely
agree with, it was such a dynamic
scene to watch the two of them interact
and the, um, in the finale as well.
The elevator scene is also
absolutely incredible, but.
Just to echo what you're saying that
first time that they're on screen
together, that at the Mac and cheese
scene is just, I think we will absolutely
look back at that as the moment that
something very, very magical began.
Just that whole, this yummy
macaroni, macaroni tastes like.
No, I'm not growing.
I know what boxed Mac
and cheese tastes like.
Right when the door opened.
You wouldn't have time to
know, like you see what I mean?
Like I got it down.
I even ended up myself.
This is crazy.
Oh, by the way, next time
your friend Yulaina hang out.
Um, you know, let's just let them know.
We said hi.
Uh, listeners will have to
tune into, we'll have to check
out my Hawkeyes episode six.
Podcast episode to know what you mean.
I got to say that that's a
huge get as a podcast guest.
Tara: I don't want your listeners
to actually think I had,
Jude: you didn't
I don't say Florence Pugh.
I say Yulaina as if she's
a real person, but she's
Trey: real to me.
Jude: Who's this Florence Pugh.
You speak up.
Uh, Trey right here.
Trey: Four I'm here comes number four.
Here it comes.
And I'm bracing myself because I, again,
I apologize already earlier, Tara, for any
fights we may have, uh, with me and Jude.
Jude: Oh my gosh.
Here we go.
Trey: Number four.
This is actually one of the harder ones,
even though it's at number four, because
the episode that I pulled this from, there
were so many different scenes that were
pulling for my attention for this spot.
But there was something about this
scene in episode five of Falcon in the
winter soldier truth, where it's around
the 30 minute and 36 second mark, where
they start the boat fixing montage.
Uh, if you listen to our coverage, I think
I frequently would pretty much yell out.
Because I love so much of what they
were doing narratively about that boat.
And, you know, I, to preface what I
meant by the fight, you know, Jude and
I have gone back and forth about the
truck in the finale of the episode.
For me and what I'm looking for in
the character of captain America,
I think this scene is the standout
moment of that season because it
embodies so much of what I am looking
for in the captain America character.
It's, you know, even, even back in the
Steve Rogers days, the thing that I always
would say is that captain America is
not the smartest, fastest or strongest.
He is that.
And hope and that resilience too, to
keep doing the right thing and the
way at this 30 minute mark, the way it
leads into it is Sam is inspiring the
people of this town that knew his family
to all come in, to help fix the boat.
And they're all contributing
in different ways.
And that sense of community that inspires.
It brings me to tears.
Like that's, especially with the
last few years we have had, you know,
that is such a beautiful scene to me.
And it continues to build because
the person that they introduced in
that scene as well is Bucky who at
this point in the season, him and
Sam are at odds and they used the
fixing the boat as a way to fix their
relationship and to step even further.
The the way the scene ends is salmon.
Bucky have a conversation about what
they're going to do about Carly.
Because up until this point, everybody
has been adamant about the only
way to stop her is to kill her.
And you see Sam really wrestling with,
that's not how he wants to do it.
And I think to juxtapose what Sam's
wrestling with, what he's doing
with the community and what we know
he ultimately does in wanting to
go, not necessarily a pacifist,
but trying to neutralize the, the
disagreements in a more peaceful manner.
I think everything about that scene
makes Sam captain American to me.
And I absolutely love it
Tara: just quickly.
You said the phrase, I love the
boat and it made me think of a, a.
That Clint has about boats in the comic
run the Hawkeye my life as a weapon.
So you definitely need to read
that for many reasons because it's
fantastic, but there's a really
great little line there about, about
boats that I think you'll enjoy.
And ongoing bit for you here
Trey: on your show.
I'll check it out.
I did buy the, the collection.
So I'm slowly reading that.
Tara: I can't wait to
hear what you think of it.
And also thank you so much for
everything you said about that scene.
I don't have it on my list.
And I, when thinking about Falcon,
winter soldier, and thinking about if
there was going to be a scene that I was
going to choose to make the top five,
and there, there certainly are scenes
from the show that make my top 8, 9, 10.
Um, but it would be, it
would be that episode.
And I didn't kind of think to narrow it
down any further than from that episode,
because it didn't make the top five for
me, but I love that episode so much.
And I did recently rewatch it
and that boat scene is wonderful.
So I think everything you said,
speaking about who captain America
really is, is really shines
Trey: through there.
Jude: Oh yeah.
It was that that boat was
the grounding tie, right.
To, for family, um, Falcon.
You know, uh, family has passed that he
was running from, uh, fixing that, you
know, fixing his issues moving forward.
It was great.
No, I thought Trey was going to go with
that quick moment of winter soldier,
holding the cake and doing the little
sidestep from the kid on the dock.
Uh, you know, and as we tend to do here
and rewrite things, if we, that in fight
would have been at the dock and it would
have been a boat instead of a truck
would have knocked it out of the park.
Trey: You can't, you, if this
was video, you would see I'm just
hunched over waiting for women.
So, yeah, that's uh,
that's my number four.
It was a good pick.
Trey: All right, we're coming back to you.
What is your number three pick.
Tara: My number three moments.
So hard to put that
moment at number three.
Jude: I know you got two
more better than that one.
I got to say I'm amazed that
none of us have had an overlap so
far and that's, I'm so excited.
Jude: Well, that's the beauty of having
like a list of 15 and I can listen
Trey: and be like, dang it.
All right, dude, you're up next?
What's your number three.
Jude: Number three for me comes from Loki.
And again, it's just one of those scenes
that just really stuck with me, you know?
And I mean, you listen to the pod,
you know, that Loki, as it was
coming out and watching it, I went
back and forth on it and it low-key.
The series is probably my,
not probably it's my it's.
It's my third favorite of the
Disney plus shows, um, with, with
Hawkeye and Wanda vision above.
But the scene and the time prison
with lady SIF was just super
moving and powerful for me.
Um, just this whole idea of, well, and
I talk about this a little bit with
my seniors, just this whole idea of
solitude and, and the importance of
being comfortable sometimes alone by
yourself and, and being aware of those
times when you get moments of solitude
and you can't, um, when you look for
something to fill it, you know, and,
and why, why are we looking to fill it?
Why can't we just be still and,
and, and content with just us.
Um, and now I know that's how
I look at the time prison.
Look, he's not there, but just
like, just as representation of,
of these things you do and how they
weigh us down and to, to see him.
Being faced with that and faced
with that and faced with that
until the point where he, he has to
finally wrestle with it, it comes to
terms with like, yeah, I did that.
I'm that person and I should have known,
you know, and that, so I just loved that
the way they were able to creatively
within that world, um, have him.
Face his own, his own
demons and temperament.
Trey: really, really like that pick.
Um, that's a moment that
definitely stood out to me as well.
Um, and, and, and to walk through this,
like the music in Loki was always good
from the beginning, but it isn't that
scene that it really hit me how expertly
they were using them, the music, because
that end of that scene when SIF, I can't
remember the exact words, but she says
something like you will always be alone.
And it just, the camera stays on Loki's
face with that realization, even after he
has come to terms with who he is and the
music has just underscoring that moment.
Um, and I'm great pic, I'm so glad
that you have that on your list.
Yeah, well, I'm
Jude: glad you brought up that line.
You always be alone because it is that,
that, you know, that difference of like
a solitude is not loneliness, you know?
Um, and, and solid, you know, solitude
is not like solitary confinement, like
no, like solitary, like I, you know,
um, I'm in the car, you know, I think
of it personally, like if I'm in the
car and I notice, um, you know, if a
podcast not playing, if something's
not going, am I, can I just be with
myself and be okay or my like, trying
to feel the time and the space and,
and, uh, and if that's the case, what's
wrong with me, I'm not wrong with me.
Like I have a problem, but like
what internally is, is bothering me.
So I'm really glad you
brought up that line there.
Um, cause it's not the same thing.
And when you F when you can't
even be comfortable with yourself,
you know, that's, that's an
extreme kind of loneliness.
Tara: Well, yeah, I really appreciate
what you're saying about this scene.
So it's a kind of echo what
Trey was saying before.
I think that here you talk about this
from this perspective, dude gives
me more of an appreciation for that
scene from lucky, which I hadn't, uh,
I hadn't really been thinking about.
So man, this is great.
This is a great conversation to revisit
some of these moments and see what
resonates for, for different people.
Trey: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wasn't, uh, it wasn't expecting
to be hit with those fields.
Jude, I liked the way that you
explained that that's got me
rethinking a lot about that scene now.
You know, I had just said, I'm so
happy we have not had any overlap.
So whenever you said your third pit
came from low-key, I kind of tensed
up for a second because my third
pick is also from low-key, but it
is in a different scene, which is
Jude: seeing sings come
home when she come home.
Uh, my scene comes from episode
six for all time, always.
And it's around the 19
minutes and 34 second mark.
And I'm, I'm willing to catch some flak on
this one because this feels like cheating
since this is essentially Kanga monologue.
And I think it goes on for
close to like eight minutes.
So this is all a whole lot of bang
for one pick of a S of a scene.
But the thing that I think is so
special about this is so much of
what Loki was examining the series.
What Loki was examining is futility.
Like what are, what does choice
matter if, if nothing matters
and, and so much of that sentiment
is what they were playing with.
So to have this moment where we see
our two central characters meet with
this almost embodiment of futility
and have him explain through.
His reasonings of why he, he, he came
to be, you know, and, and the way
that it was being demonstrated with
those little clay figures that he
was controlling and the way that he
would effortlessly flip between being
electric, to being bored, to being tired.
Jonathan majors is just putting
on one of the best performances.
In the 20, 21 season of
the MCU and it's perfect.
Like I just, I was captivated from
start to finish of that scene.
And I even talked about it when we had
our episode review of that specific
scene where I said it felt like the MCU,
babe Ruth thing, and pointing to where
they're going to go for the next 10 years.
And so I, I just love it.
Um, I mean, I, how could I not
pick a scene that has the line
you came to kill the devil?
Well, guess what I keep you safe.
If you think I'm evil, just
wait until you meet my variants.
And every time I have that line
in my head, it gives me shivers,
Tara: such a good pick.
And I'm thinking about what.
About the Kate and Elena scene,
you know, and having that feeling
of like, Aw man, we're in for
something great with the future of
the MCU, I feel that way about them.
And I also feel that way about
Jonathan majors, uh, because of
everything you just said, Trey,
Jude: I'm not going to get
sidetracked right here.
I saw myself tell myself, no, I'm not.
So like the king pin, like, this is
what I mean of like, like what you
just said, like you got so much was so.
And we're not going to
see him until 20, 23.
And it's just that anticipation and
that waiting and that's, uh, they
had Kingston did too much, but, okay.
Trey: So number two for
you is kingpin, right?
Jude: Uh, I'm kidding.
I'm not commenting on that just yet.
Since I have two scenes left to
go, it might not be number two.
It could be number one, you'll find out
Trey: well and anticipation
of fighting out.
We can go ahead and move on to
Tara or you're at number two.
Tara: So this, this was the, uh, the
hardest choice for me because I, I
want to say the movie black widow.
Jude: I knew, I knew
that was going to happen.
Tara: Uh, I'm not going to do
that, not going to do that.
I thought very hard about it.
So I also, I, I don't know if
I've set this on social media.
I did say this on my 20,
21 year in review episode.
If I am considering all factors and
ranking the films of the MCU in 2021, I
do like squeeze black widow out of the
top spot and put Spiderman away home
there because that's in taking into
consideration some criteria like the,
the nostalgia and the culmination and the
event of it all, which is why Spiderman
kind of gets that top spot for me.
But when it came to the moments here, I,
black widow felt like it had to be higher
because I have rewatched black widows so
many times, and these moments, I just feel
so close to so many of the moments and I.
I actually kind of revisited my, my
first impressions episode that I did
for the podcast when black widow first
came out to see if I could get, um, get
some sense of what my past self, what
really resonated that, that my past self
in terms of choosing one moment here.
And all I talk about in that first
impressions episode is like, yes,
like how much as it was unfolding,
it felt really special to me.
And, um, yeah, I almost went with the.
For the way that it set the tone for
the film and really suggested, wow,
we're getting into some territory
here of really acknowledging just how
traumatic and terrible Natasha's past
really was and just how much that
makes her survival and her strength.
All the more.
But, uh, I apologize for talking about
scenes that aren't actually my scene.
I know it's, it's, I'm a waste of time,
Trey: but it's all contextual.
Jude: I realize, I, I say we,
we realize how painful it is.
Um, like I was surprised that you were
going to pick any individual scene because
of the pain of having to cut up the film.
Trey: and if I could just like
interject here to its cause on that
topic of like how we have watched
your love of this film developed.
Whenever we did the second draft
episode, I had went back and listened
to that first one, just in preparation.
Funniest things to me is at
the end or the beginning.
I can't remember.
We were talking about black widow
and we were all discussing about like
what our plans were to go watch it.
And I think you had just gotten the
AAMC pass and you're like, oh, I, you
know, I'm going to go see it maybe once.
And we asked like, oh, are you
gonna get it on Disney plus two?
And you're like, ah, probably not.
That was before you had seen it.
And just to get that glimpse of
where you were at to where you
have come has been fantastic.
Tara: Isn't it fun sometimes to
revisit older episodes of the
podcast and really see, see how
much a change and growth happens.
So I guess, you know, despite all
that, the moment that I did land on.
Is quite, quite a long scene.
I think I went a little bit more with
a sequence as opposed to a scene,
but Natasha and Yulaina, they are at
the gas station and there are these,
this scene or sequence of scenes
encompasses the humor of the pose
that you do, your fighting pose.
It encompasses the pain and the insecurity
that these two characters have when
Yulaina says to her, oh, you know,
if someone attacks an Avenger, one of
the big ones will come to a venue and
she's like, oh, who are the big ones?
Um, when, and so, you know,
Natasha's insecurity there.
Uh, you know, Elena's insecurity the
face that she makes when Natasha says
you weren't really my sister and she
bites back the vendors, aren't really
your family or at this tension between
the two of them and the incredible.
When Natasha says all the time I spent
posing, I was trying to do something good
and make up for the pain and suffering.
We cause trying to be more
than a trained killer.
And when Julina says I'm not the
killer, that little girl's called
their hero there, they're learning
so much about each other here.
So much of these two characters who
these two people are as being revealed
to us and why I chose this is because
this is our last real installment
of Natasha Romanov in the MCU.
And I love how much her presence
is felt in the Hawkeye show.
I love how much her
presence is felt in 2021.
Um, because, because I do miss her
and I, and I don't think that end
game necessarily, um, uh, took,
took the time to really acknowledge
what her loss meant as much.
Um, but now we have this new character
in the MCU Yulaina as you guys
have already talked about, who is
setting up so much for the future.
So in this scene where.
Saying goodbye to Natasha and we're
reflecting on who she's been and
we're also greeting Yulaina and
we're learning about her and we're
seeing where she's going to go.
And that gas station scene then
kind of leads into when they're
outside drinking a beer and they
have more of that conversation,
learning more about each other.
And, um, some tenderness when Natasha
helps you Elena with like, with her wound.
So just like there's so much healing,
there's so much related to the ideas
of identity and family and choice here.
And of course, then that leads into
there in the car and the vest moment.
So again, it's what the MCU does so well
of combining that humor and that heart.
And, um, yeah, I that's, that's kind
of like three scenes in one, but,
uh, Natasha and Elena and they're,
they're learning each other in
black widow has gotta be online.
Trey: I love that.
I love the way he had walked through
that, uh, much like with w you know,
with Jude and trying to guess what
I thought was going to be his number
one and what was going to be yours.
I was under the impression that number
one would be something black widow
related, and, and this isn't a knock
on the movie, but just, there's so many
great moments that I couldn't figure out.
What is the moment that encapsulates
it or defines it as a scene pick.
And you found it like, of course,
even though the black widow scholar,
uh, I loved your description.
Tara: It was tough because it's such a
Jude: good such, I love that.
You're going to have to change.
Add that to your bio black
Twitter, black women, black winter.
What's a winter.
Um, black widow,
black widow scholar.
Tara: could have a scholar.
I like it.
I'm going to put that
on my email signature.
Jude: Please do, please do.
And I'm talking about your work one?
Tara: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Not the podcast one.
The work one only.
Trey: All right, Jude, number two.
Jude: Oh man.
The Hawaiian shirt.
God, this was difficult.
I'm going to be honest.
Um, I jokingly.
At first, I jokingly said, you
know, our, this whole listening
to Tara and rearranging it.
Um, but I actually did this one, jumped
up to number two, listening to you.
And my number two comes
from the internals.
Uh, it's the fastest kiss and the
internals and the, it was, I mean,
there's more to that scene, but, but,
uh, taking my oldest to the theater
and when that happened on screen, like
they, oh, my heart is jumping like that.
Like, that's the quote.
Um, and so it was just, it was so
I'm glad that you mentioned that
Jude, because I think that moment of
representation and that moment of, uh, CA.
One of our heroes up on the screen, you
know, having the type of relationship
that is not always depicted in these
stories and have it be something
that felt so kind of natural in that
moment was really, really powerful to
see, I think, for so many audiences.
And thank you for sharing that because
that's, um, it's especially powerful
knowing that for young people seeing
this it's something that speaks to them
Trey: even outside of what
makes that scene special.
Just hearing the story about what, what
your, you know, your child's reaction to.
It was fantastic.
And to speak about the scene itself.
You know, I remember one of the
things I talked about Eternals
is that this is a movie that is
as interested in these heroes.
And what they can do as it is
interested in how they feel.
And I can also help, but remember one
of the articles, I never found the
source for it, but I remember reading
somewhere that one of the things that
they were talking about with writing
these stories is that it's not enough
to see them go out and save the day.
You need to see them go home.
And what they're like in that home
life and getting to see that moments of
Fastow's, who he was with his family.
And up until that kiss,
like that's special.
That's not something you get to
see often in the superhero movies.
And I am so glad that you
have picked that on your list.
Jude: I love this.
You said child to cause there they're
13 counting down to 14 and I'm
trying to slow that down as much as
I guess I always get super concerned
with privacy reasons on how to
refer and I will sit offspring.
Jude: Look for the longest time.
Hey, I was gonna say for the longest time
Amaechi and I would just say progeny one,
two or three, because the names messed up.
We was just saying, Hey, come here.
I need you to clean the fridge.
Like I'm not kidding.
That's what they had answered to.
Trey: I started calling my niece
and nephew thing one and thing two.
Tara: That's amazing.
So we're at Trey's number two,
I just went we're at Trey's number.
Trey: My number two pick, this is another
one of the hardest ones because per entry,
I don't think I talked about this part
of my method when it came to making this
list is I sat down and I tried to write
the most impactful Steans I had by memory.
So I wrote down one of vision Falcon in
the winter, soldier Blackwood, a low-key
and I just went through the release order.
And in each category I wrote
down the list that I remember
just really standing out to me.
And one divisions, I think had the
most of most moments per category.
And the moment I ended up going.
For my number two pick is in episode
eight, called up previously on
around the 11 minutes and 46 seconds.
Mark, the revelation of why the
sitcoms were so important to Wanda
and that glimpse into her family
life and the tragedy of what that
was like and how it changed her life.
When that bomb exploded, everything,
she knew that I called it a magic trick
whenever we discussed it, because I.
Generally don't like whenever they
retrofit an idea to a character
that expressed none of that in
prior and previous storylines.
And there was this lingering
question throughout all of one
division for me of why is this
taking the form of these sitcoms?
And as the season progressed, we kind of
got to this idea like, okay, maybe this
is something she had as a home life,
but I just couldn't see how they would
make that feel real and sentimental.
And I was just.
Almost on the floor, just smacked with
how much that scene moved me because you
got that glimpse of how happy it made her.
And it made me forget the tragedy that
was about to come because we knew her past
life from age of Ultron and what she had
gone through that in that moment, I was
with them, excited watching those shows.
And when that bomb lands and reality
snaps back into place, I was in tears.
And I think that moment will easily be
one of the standout moments for all of the
20, 21 entries because of the magic trick.
They were able to pull off
and the effectiveness at which
it just works as a scene.
Jude: Yeah, you're right.
That was the one thing I remember
the most of that scene is just how
much that you knew it was coming and
it, and they still were able to do.
Pull you out of that and
get you immersed in that.
And, and then the a and their family.
I think, you know, Tara, you joked
about wanting to put all of black
widow is your pick there's multiple
entries that I wanted to do that just
adding episode eight of one division
is what I wanted to put for number two.
Well, that's actually a good transition
because it's my number one next, right?
Yes, it is.
Here we go.
It's a very, it's a very good transition
because I, similarly we had a very
similar approach because I too, when
you first presented us with this
task, I wrote down the installments
and release order jotted down.
What are the things that stood out.
Most, and I also had the longest list
for one division and black widow, but
for one division and I episode eight.
Well, when we actually, the three
of us, we did a one division
wrap up episode for my show.
And we talked about our top.
I think we did three favorite
moments from the series.
And I think I kind of made
that joke and said, oh, episode
eight is my number one moment.
Um, and I, at the time I chose
as my number one moment, the
same moment that I'm choosing
for my number one moment overall.
And that is after black widow after
Spider-Man like, this has remained.
For me, my, my top moment of the
year, I think partially just because
I am also thinking about the power
of Wanda vision and just how special
it felt in those early weeks of 2021.
And I, you know, if I, if I
had to choose my number one,
favorite installment of the.
Um, all factors considered
it would be one division.
And I, yeah, I know it sounds a little
bit like a surprise there, but it's just,
so I have this personal connection to
it and I think it just, it just did so
much for, for the MCU and it just feels
like such a singular moment in time.
And it's so incredibly rewatch
Hubble and the number one scene
for me from episode eight.
It's so close to being the
one that you chose Trey.
But for me, it's the scene when she goes
into the memory with, with Agatha of her
envisioned out of vendor's compound, this
is sometime after the death of Pedro.
So sometime between.
Age of Ultron and civil war.
And it's this moment of connection and
tenderness between the two of them,
which was so important to see in this
show, which, you know, the entire
conceit of the one division show was
based around just how much love she
had for him and this extreme grief that
came from the loss of, of that love.
And here we see again, kind of
in this magical way, as you said
that they were able to pull off.
Um, so I'm filling in the gaps of
establishing for us, these moments
of connection that the two of
them would have had earlier on.
And it's also based around this moment in
which they're watching a sit-com, they're
watching Malcolm in the middle and vision.
Can't understand why it's funny that
the character is getting injured and how
do we know that he's not really hurt?
And she just says, it's
not that kind of show.
And it's just such a good
line that speaks so much to.
Who she is and how she relates to
these sitcoms and how that manifested
itself out of her, in her grief.
Uh, it speaks to his character and
how he's learning, how to be human.
When he says, you know, I've
never had a loved one to lose.
So, I don't really know what this is like.
And it's a moment that, you know,
again, thinking about first, watch it
really, really got me it that whole
episode did, uh, there were a lot
of moments of tears in that episode,
but especially this just the, the way
the two of them relate to each other.
And when he says the line, what is grief,
if not love persevering, you know, listen,
it's become a little bit memorable now.
The what is blank, if not
blank, persevering is a
really great meme template.
Um, but in the moment, you know, before
any of that internet reaction, it just
felt so sincere and so beautiful, a
very beautiful vision, vision quote.
So, and then they have a
laugh at the end of it, right?
Like he's laughing at something on
the TV and she's loosens up a little
bit and says, yeah, it was funny.
And this tender, this tenderness
between the two of them, I.
I love it.
Uh, to me it really encapsulates so
much of what one division was all about.
And one division encapsulates so much
of what I loved about 2021 in the MCU.
I had a feeling there might be
some overlap here with our picks
because I remember that moment in
the wrap-up of said we were, we were
both very high on this episode and.
The I wanted the, I wanted to pick this
scene, but I just kept coming back to
the, the one that I had at landed on.
But you highlight, what's
so special about it.
And I, I think the thing that, to me,
that stood out is that you have two
characters who are both feeling nothing
from different perspectives, obviously
with Wanda and the trauma that she's going
through, there is this feeling of loss and
not knowing how to express those emotions.
And you have vision who is literally just
been born and doesn't know how to express
those emotions because he's learning
and through each other, they learn.
And that is beautiful.
Jude: It's interesting that it, we
mentioned vision gets all the best lines.
And like I said, that line
is just such a powerful line.
And even the meat for some reason, uh, for
me like the means of that, it just hasn't.
I don't say hasn't set.
Well, it's just, it just, I don't,
I have a person that likes gifts and
I will have a complete conversation
and gifts on text if you let me.
Um, and, but just with just
that one there, I don't know.
I just feel, it just feels
different and it is gifts.
And I just want to be clear.
I don't think there was any confusion.
Trey: Got it.
Before we started another horse that
we continue to beat all here, dude.
What is your number one
So it was just really cool.
Uh, no, just kidding.
Not going to do that.
It's 20, 22.
I said, I'm leaving the truck behind.
I'm sending in our very first episode.
I only said I'm leaving it behind.
This is all I brought it up to say, I
thought Kara and I were about to overlap.
Uh, my first scene was the opening
sequence, the black widow through
the credits like opening scene
all the way through the credits
that if for a couple of things in
it, just, I remember watching it.
And just some thinking about how
different it was and anything else
I had, or at least to me, it felt
so different than anything else I
had seen in the MCU, uh, that, that
segment, um, and how intense the opening
credits was like, and I was in tears.
I would like, I didn't get
past that and my eyes were
watering and I was tearing up.
Um, and then so thinking about like, well,
cause it's interesting of, of what that
was supposed to be film wise and before
COVID like in terms of release order,
you know, and sort of have that be kind
of the first thing and B imagine what it
was like to, to completely kick off the
next set of MCU stuff with that scene
and really kind of make a statement of.
You know, we had our fun and
now let's, let's kind of dig in.
Um, and so, yeah, so for me, that's, uh,
and honestly, I think that's probably why,
cause I know, and I've, I've got a little
bit, uh, uh, pushback jokingly, so, um,
I'm gonna, I'm going to say it that I take
it that way, but I had black widow is the
best movie of 20, 21 over no way home.
Then a big part is I felt like it just
kind of what I'm saying right there.
The sense of it's it's yeah.
Part of black widow, we got MCU, but
it, it just had such a feeling of,
you know, this isn't the MCU you're
used to, um, it was female led.
Uh, we got Yulaina um, you know, we got.
Um, red guardian, we got like all of
this stuff, that's wrapped up into it.
Uh, I liked the task
master reveal, you know?
Um, and it's just all of that.
So yeah, it's drifted off into why
I thought that was the better movie.
Um, but yeah, that opening sequence,
uh, that has to be the best for,
Tara: so that you chose it to talk
about it because I, I touched a
little bit on how the credits were
almost my pick before the opening
sequence could have also been my pig.
Um, there, there.
Absolutely agree with you that
there's something so uneasy
about that opening scene.
There's something so beautiful about
it, the tension, and then when they're
in the car and listening to American
pie, I could go on and on about it.
I think ultimately for me, I, in
picking the scene that I picked,
it's it put it on my list.
I felt like I wanted to pick something
that had Scarlet and Florence Pugh in it.
Um, but if I took that criteria out,
I mean, this is just so incredible
at setting the tone for that movie.
And one of the best opening
sequences out of any of these
Marvel films, in my opinion.
I think I agree with you.
I think it's a really underrated film
and I think as a contained standalone
film, I think it's very, very successful.
And, um, you know, the Spider-Man
movie has the event feel to it.
It has that culmination feel to.
Um, which kind of just puts it in
a, in a separate category for me.
Um, but, uh, yeah, I'm glad that
you, uh, shout it out Blackwater.
Trey: Yeah, I I'm so glad that that
specific scene has made it into our
collective lists because it was one
of the ones when I was making my list.
Whereas I kept thinking, how
can I not have that somewhere?
And I don't, uh, but it is
one of those scenes to even
just speak within the movie.
It is a scene that the reverberations
of the effect that, that had the
tone that they set and that opening
credits is felt through to the end.
And it is a wonderful pick June.
Jude: Um, like Sandy
Trey: first, an extended drop of 2022.
Tara: So I think we know which installment
tres number one is gonna come from,
but I'm, I'm really eager to hear.
Here, which scene, which scene
it is you chose from what?
Jude: wait, wait, can we guess, can we go?
Trey: I would, I would love to get to him.
Tara: I'm serious guests or, or guests.
If what he chose from, what if,
Trey: uh, I would love to hear what
you thought I would take from what?
Tara: No, no, no.
Um, no, you know what?
I don't want to step on
your step on your toes.
I don't want to get, I want, I
want you to share your number one
So, you know, Tara, you just talked
about how, whenever you were trying
to pick something for black widow, you
felt like it was appropriate to have
something with Natasha and Yulaina.
And I wanted to, to, to bounce off
of that, because that specifically is
what helped inform my number one pick,
uh, I don't think it's a surprise.
My pick comes from and whenever I
talked about this, I think I have
highlighted three different scenes
throughout three different points
that have stood out to me the most.
And Tara, you already picked one
with the bus fight and we talked
about what makes that so special.
Uh, whenever I joined your podcast,
we talked about, you know, I called
it a freaking tower sequence and
how impactful it was to do that.
Uh, whenever they had the scene where
he scaling the side of the building
with Katie and, uh, shall Ling.
But when I sat down to pick my number
one, I could not pick a scene that
didn't have both Shung T and Wynwood.
And it is the scene around the
one hour and 42 minute mark,
where they have the final clash of
shonky and windmill with the rings.
Um, you know, so much of
that movie is about Shung.
Wanting to run from his father's
influences, learning about his
mother's and embracing those influences
while maintaining who he is as
a person and who he wants to be.
And on the flip side, you have
woo, who I have said multiple times
is the emotional core of cheat.
Like the movie works the way it does
because of his storyline and the work that
Tony Lee young has done within that film.
And so even though you can pull
criticisms of the MCU doing its MCU
thing with CGI and so much going on
this moment where they're fighting and
they have that call back where Shung,
she is able to use the, the fighting
style that his mother had learned and
was used in the beginning sequence when
a yang li and when we meet, uh, and
then he uses that to finally overcome.
And we see that in doing so he's able
to take control of the rings as well.
And he just throws them down at
the foot of his father, because
he's learned that killing him is
not the answer he's looking for.
He's truly trying to save his father
and, you know, Jude, I think your child,
uh, has made references that the, the
MCU is just littered with fathers.
And that is definitely true.
But what is special about Shang Chi is
it's not just about the, these, the,
the son dealing with the father issue.
We get to go through that
journey with the father himself.
The thing that hits me
the hardest every time.
And that scene is right before,
um, the, the soul eater emerges.
The last act that when we has with
those rings is saving his son and
the movie opens up with, uh, the
narration of Sean mother saying that
he could have done so much good with
those rings, but instead conquered.
And the last act that he does
is the final moment of good.
And it brings me to tears every time,
because shank, she has one, not through
just physical violence, but he has
one his dad over back to a moral side.
And it's beautiful.
And so that is my number
one scene of 2021.
Tara: I'm so glad you chose that one.
I, I, you know, I, that's why I didn't
want to guess because I was like, you
know what, at anything that you were
going to say about Shannon, she was going
to be incredibly poignant and powerful.
And I was like, I'm not going to go
ahead and guess which one is going.
Uh, I that's such a good one.
And I think having one whew in there
is really important to speaking to the
messages of that film and really trying to
encapsulate what that film is all about.
There's so many good scenes.
I, I, I love how much you
love that, that movie.
It just can go on and on.
And I just gush about that movie.
Um, and you're right.
We, when I saw it, uh, my oldest, um,
who that I was like, that's wrong?
She said, oh, is this another dad movie?
That was actually almost in a top five
moment Shang she's dad, uh, for me and
is I have it at six, uh, actually, uh,
but, but it was, it was because of having
that moment and kind of that recognition
of like, oh, what, and, um, you know,
and, and, and that's one of the things
I'll never forget about that movie
is just that interaction that I had.
Uh, but yeah, I love it.
And also I love like what you said
at the end, cause it's in terms
of the, the dropping the rings.
Cause anytime, you know,
then she's done it.
Off the top of my head twice.
Uh, you know, in my most
favorite one is return to the
Jedi where you can have that.
Um, the redemption, you know, is not, it's
not on that redemptive violence, right?
Where we're the hero or, or so to speak,
you know, lays down the weapon, um, rather
than, you know, acting through violence.
I just love how they, when they, when
they, um, when creators are able to create
Yeah, it's, it's such a special
moment when you can find a nonviolent
way to, to solve the problem.
And again, I say that knowing
full, well, this is the MCU.
We're going to have that moment
where strong she takes on the
dragon, which I still think is
poignant, but that's not my pick.
But to have that, that realization
that I don't need to overpower you
this way I can play to the person.
I know you can be.
I mean, not, I don't want to
diminish it because I think Sean
cheat is their own character, but
that is what that's a commonality
that I like within captain America.
The, the inspiration for
better in the self and others.
And in that moment is a small distillation
of what I like about that hero at.
Jude: So like you're right, like right at
the end when, when John Walker took off.
Trey: So that's going to do it.
Thank you so much,
I was really gonna throw a curve ball and
say the first time we get to see John with
a shield that has to be traced in bro.
Trey: Tara saved me cause
I knew that was coming.
So I'm going to leave it
in the edit specifically.
You can see my voice go in two
different directions and I just
leaned towards Tara, like, okay.
What is my favorite one?
Top five of 2021.
Jude: you know what sticks out to me the
most is how much was left on the table,
Trey: I think.
Is there any scene that sticks
out to anybody and it doesn't have
to be your honorable mention, but
is there any one that you think
was going to make it that didn't?
I going to make it
Trey: your astray Agatha all along.
And that wasn't my number six either,
but it was definitely on my list of
one division moments and I, I thought
someone might bring it up just because.
Like for what it represented,
like what a WTF moment.
I don't know about you guys, but like
watching that for the first time, I was
like, oh, there's, there's a song now
there's a feeling reveal and it's a song.
And like, it was just such a unique
moment that really leaned into the
genre conventions at the sitcom thing.
And, uh, yeah, I, I'm glad that we brought
it up here just to note it as a, certainly
a unique and special moment from the year.
Jude: I don't have a specific scene.
I'm just going to say, well, no,
actually I haven't seen in mind,
but there's so many I'm surprised.
Trey: All right, Tara, I know
you mentioned earlier, you
had some honorable mentions.
Is there any you wanted to list out?
Tara: I guess, you know, the one that
was hardest for me to cut that I had
as a, an official number six that I had
some notes on was from Loki specifically
episode one, his initiation into the
TVA, because I thought that that was.
Such a great moment in terms of
ushering in a new landscape for the MCU.
This was a new look and feel.
The aesthetics of the TVA are so
interesting and how they have this
mid century modern kind of inspired
style that feels both past and future.
And so ultimately somewhat
timeless and here's, low-key a
very familiar character to us.
Who's thrown into an unfamiliar context
and they're using him to introduce us
to new kind of riskier sides of the
MCU and grounding us a little bit,
but also establishing the stakes.
When we see.
That, you know, he he's stripped of
his ass guardian leather and, uh, and
really thrown into this environment.
So I wanted to have a chance to mention
that as a, as a moment that I think
is really important and, uh, just
also beautiful, uh, visually in, in
the MCU this year that I didn't get
a chance to talk to, uh, talk about
Yeah, that's a good mention.
What about you, dude?
Jude: I've already mentioned the,
what I had listed as number six.
Um, actually the shame
Shang, what's wrong with me?
The Shong she like, like now that
I know the song, she, um, actually
there was an interesting moment
the other day with my friend, TJ.
Um, and we were talking about, uh,
Hawkeye and he was, uh, talking about.
I don't know how it came up, but he
mentioned Budapest and I corrected him.
So was a teacher.
I'm pretty sure it was TJ.
Um, but yeah.
So the other one, the last one
I'll mention here dose wise was,
Trey: uh, a quick honorable mention.
And what would have been my number
six, seen a honorable mention it.
Kills me that I also, wasn't
able to find a spot for the
flashback scene where Shung Chichi.
And when we go to that bar slash gambling
place to exact revenge on the people that
murdered, uh, there, his wife and Chunky's
mom, um, it came down to like what I
said, I, I wanted a scene that represented
them both, but I wanted something a
little bit more uplifting despite how.
Much that scene impacted me.
Uh, so that one gets an honorable mention.
And what would have been number six and
another one that I'm just, this is what I
mentioned when I said I had to delete it
and walk away from my keyboard earlier.
It's the bridge, the chase sequence
and Hawkeye the, the one where
they're escaping, uh, being captive
with the tracksuit mafia all the
way through to the Penn tech arrow.
It is a wonderfully well done scene.
And I'm so sad that it, I
couldn't make it in the top five
Tara: thinking about it.
I think we have some on our lists.
We have some representation
from each installment of the
year, except what if right.
Jude: Well, I, I will say this,
but, and I, and I mentioned this in,
uh, no, I didn't mention this tray.
And I w when we were trying to put out
our top, uh, our ranking, our Disney plus
shows, we talked about this, um, for,
at least for me, because it's animated.
And I still see it mentally kind of
separate from the MC from the MCU proper.
Um, I know that's changing.
I know it's changing, but
like, for some reason there's
just like this mental block.
Well, like even when somebody asks
it was like add students acid, is
that your favorite Spider-Man movie?
Um, You know, and I get my answer and
then somebody immediately followed up.
It's not into the spider verse.
And I was like, well, I
I'm thinking like, action.
Uh, so that's honestly
even going through these.
I really didn't honestly didn't give what
if much thought, uh, for that reason,
just the difference of live action.
I think I'm in that space with you and.
I feel like I, I feel bad because I don't,
I don't want to ostracize it from being
part of the MCU because I mean, it is
intended to be that way, but it just, it
didn't really cross my mind whenever I
sat down to write lists, uh, there were
moments that I think stood out to me like
the, the second last episode where Hawkeye
has that sacrifice play and he is aiming
down as the ultra and bots are coming up.
That moment was amazing.
And I love the way that that was
framed and the lighting and the
animation, but it just, when it came
to cracking a top five, I just, I
couldn't put it above anything else.
Tara: Well, similarly, there are some,
uh, cause I wouldn't even necessarily
think of them in terms of scenes, but
like there are some, uh, frames, there
are some visuals, there are some shots
that really stand out that I think were
really stunning in what if, and there
are some character beats too, and some
lines that I think stand out, but.
But I am in the same boat as you guys.
And it didn't really feel as much part of
the same conversation for me personally.
Trey: Well, we're, we're getting to the
end here, but Tara, you had a fantastic
suggestion on Twitter where you thought
we should share what we thought were
some memorable scenes from 2021.
Uh, I know you use kind of tiptoed
into one, but, uh, are there any
that stand out to you specifically?
Tara: And this was prompted it, it was Al
who, who shared the gift of Zemo dancing.
So once he posted that, I was
like, oh man, yeah, this year.
So my chronic gifts here, uh, some
iconic meme template, uh, opportunities.
So the other ones that kind of stood
out to me, um, I mentioned before the
kind of, what is blank, if not blank,
persevering, which to your point, Jude,
like that is such a powerful and tender
and sentimental moment that I don't
need there to be jokes about that.
Um, I've seen that out
there and I they're fine.
They don't undermine it or ruin it for me.
Um, but I, uh, that
line still lands for me.
I'm such a poser,
Tara: Oh, and, uh, from
Sean cheap or that's
That has infiltrated my conversations
with my mom and dad, they will throw
out or so frequently, especially
since I'm in the family lawn service,
we'll have conversations and then
I'll say like, oh, we need to do this.
And one of them will pipe in.
Jude: well the thing is, is
even creeps into our text.
Like, he'll say what about this or
that and the textual following or,
Trey: oh, that's great.
So what about you ju do you have
any memorable scenes from 2021
Jude: memorable scenes?
Um, I, God.
I'm so terrible at this.
And again, like I'm trying to
think, and I'm just, I had one and
I was like, no, that's terrible.
And I had another, and that was bad.
Um, I don't know what it is.
I like gifts.
And so my first head, my head keeps
going to gifts and was like, oh,
this moment, this is like open.
It's not a mean, that's a gift.
Um, that's just be honest.
That's what made it so difficult for me.
Tara: I was kind of using it as an
umbrella term for funny internet
thing shows how much I know, I
guess, I guess we're all a little
bit older than the meme crowd.
I don't know.
So now I'm trying to think of, of there.
I think, I think the one that I think.
That if I was going to have in use.
And again, my mind goes to gifts is just
low-key and there's reaction to Mobius.
And I was where he was.
And I wouldn't do it again,
you know, uh, for some reason
that just sticks out to me.
Trey: So I have two and the first one
I think is easy, but it's flourish.
I think that has been
thrown around so frequently.
And I love it just because of what
it represents within the episode
and the way people have used it.
The second one, and this one may be
a bit of a stretch, but I'm going
to try and make my argument for it.
And the second episode of Wanda
vision, there is a moment where
somebody says something, the devil's
in the details or the details and
the devil and Agatha says, what
Jude: fuck the details.
Trey: I've thought I've reversed it,
even though I had occurred, regardless,
my details are all over the place, but
so the devil, uh, regardless Agatha
had the response, that's not the only
place he is because of that line.
You can now not go more than five
comments before someone comments,
manifesto on speculative thing in the MCU.
So that has to be for me the most
memorable moment of 2021, so, right.
Yes, yes, yes.
Even if I botched the sea.
So those are my picks.
Tara: Festo is, is
Jude: he's on his way.
It's going to happen, your strange, okay.
You want to get Marvel
fans mad the way to do it
Trey: is you go ahead.
Jude: I was going to say in Dr.
They should have manifesto, but do
the Trevor Slattery Mandarin twist.
And it not be my Festo.
That would definitely get them going.
Tara: So kind of like you have
Pietro, but you don't have Pietro.
He's just dude named
Hey, I guess Marvel's not shy on pooling.
Switcheroos like that,
Tara: you know, what's kind of a meme
or, or I guess has meme potential, but
maybe hasn't really been used this way.
And I wish it was used more.
I don't know if I'm using
meme and internet reaction
interchangeably here, but remember
at the end of, I guess it was.
Five of one division before Pietro
arrives at the door when want to
envision or having an argument.
And she just starts rolling
the credits over him.
I wish that there was a way of capturing
that more in real life or on the
internet of just like I'm done with this
conversation, if you're coming to credits.
Trey: All right.
We'd like to thank Nick Sandy.
There you go.
Jude: The number of times that
I just imagined that in my head
anyways, it happens in real life.
Tara: it does, it happens on
every episode of your podcast.
I can't believe I didn't
make that connection.
Trey: literally the same thing.
Well, Tara, thank you so
much for the suggestion.
I think this was a very fun addition
to this podcast and say, yeah, you
know, we've got one more thing left.
I know Jude NEI just recently talked
about it in our previous episode,
but uh, I wanted to give you a
chance here to say, what are you most
excited for in 2022 regarding the MCU?
Tara: Um, well, I, I
listened to your episode.
I actually really enjoyed hearing
your thoughts on some of the troubled
production around black Panther.
Go in a downer type of direction,
but I, uh, I did just want to bring
that up because I thought that was
a really, um, astute conversation
that you guys were having about that.
And I, I share some of those anxieties
around that film because the first black
Panther is just such an amazing work.
Uh, and I just want the franchise
within the franchise, uh, the black
Panther franchise within the MCU
to, uh, continue to, to thrive.
Um, but I like Jude and very much
looking forward to she Hulk because
of the wonderful Tatiana Maslany.
And, um, I know you spoke to it on
your episode, but she is remarkable
actor who can really capture so, uh,
so much emotion, but also so much humor
she can, um, she she's absolutely.
At dynamic force and I'm really
looking forward to the tone of what
she hope can be with this idea of
it being maybe a little bit more
campy and breaking the fourth wall.
So that's probably my number one
pick for the Disney plus series
that I'm looking forward to.
And probably my number one overall.
Um, but I, in terms of
movies, I got to go with Dr.
Strange and multi-person madness,
probably just because it's.
In my mind.
Cause we did see the trailer
after Spider-Man and I love Wanda
so much as you guys know from
some of my picks here tonight.
And I'm so looking forward to seeing where
her journey goes next and how that's going
to interweave with the world of, of Dr.
Strange as well.
So yeah, I'm very much
looking forward to 2022.
I think that it'll feel
a little bit different.
You know, we had nine
installments this year.
That was a lot of content in 2021.
And it seems like with them doing three
movies, as opposed to four in this
coming year, I think maybe that will be.
Uh, a little bit of, uh, a good thing
to, to slow down the pace a little bit.
Trey: it will certainly make this
task a whole lot easier next year.
Thank you so much for sharing that.
I I'm so glad to get, to
hear that, uh, perspective.
And again, I look forward to hearing
and I know you just recently did
an episode on a retrospective and
a little peek at what's to come.
I think that's going to do
it for this episode, Tara.
Thank you so much for joining us on this.
This has been a blast
Tara: Trey, and thank you, Jude.
It's always so much fun to collaborate
with you guys, especially on
tasks like this, that which are.
Incredibly fun and also somewhat daunting
and cause us to do things like have
multiple tabs open on our computers before
we start whatever we're going to shoot.
Um, so always a blast.
And, uh, thank you so much for having me.
Jude: Yeah, thank you for coming.
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Uh, we recently just put out a post
asking for your favorite scenes of 2021.
And we had so many wonderful
responses and it was so much fun
to get to see, uh, what was the
most impactful for you all in 2021?
So if you want to see some of those or
answer your own, uh, make sure you're
following us there and let us know.
Jude: Yeah, and be sure scroll down on
the show notes, click on the discord.
You can find a wonderful community
to talk around a variety of things.
And of course you be there for Marvel.
So make sure you click on the
role, assign her to the Marvel
section, click on the emojis, have
access to all the spoiler channels.
Um, and of course the best thing you
can do for us rating on this point.
What about a month, three weeks now and
on Spotify, or at least as we record apple
podcast and please share with a friend
Trey: we'd also like to thank Nick Sandy
for the use of our theme song, which
is his rendition of the Avengers theme.
You find more of his work on a SoundCloud,
which will be linked in the show notes.
And that's going to do it.
Thank you so much for
listening, Tara and Jude.
Thank you so much for doing this.
Thank you, Trey.
Thank you, Jerry.
Thank you guys.
We'll see you all next week.
Jude: Um, now my question is
you are completely to monitoring
the saying and having like black
widow on the second monitor.
You're not, no,
I, I had black widow up on.
Just a few minutes ago and I do have up
in another tab, uh, like my notes for when
I did a black widow deep dive episode.
And you've totally nailed it.
That black widow is the
one that I can't decide.
So, so yes, Judy, you are,
uh, you're, you're thinking
along the right lines there.
Trey: I love it.
I can't wait to edit it.
And I'm just going to hear
scenes from the movie.
Jude: Well, I kinda liked when
the movie started and there was
a middle section that was really
cool and the end was pretty awesome
So that's three spots right there.
Jude: And honorable mention,
I think is the in credit, so,
Trey: oh man.
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