Trey: hello and welcome back
to another episode of MCU.

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and everything you need to know.

Hi, I'm Trey.

Jude: I'm Jude.

How you doing tray?

Trey: Well, puzzled now what's, uh,
what's going on on your end over there

Jude: as I was organizing my
tabs, there's a tab up here that

I was going to talk to you about.

And forgot.

So now it has to save it till after,
but because of the camera you saw

my like, oh, kind of reaction.

So is it pertinent to the episode?

Uh, no.

It's pertinent to the pertinent to
the pilot, but it, it, it was, I was

rearranging my tabs, so I could like have
the stopwatch right next to the outline

and just easily switch back and forth.

And then I asked and
I clicked on that one.

I was like, oh yeah, I was
going to mention the trailer.

I wasn't going to stop you mid intro.

I, you know,

Trey: the video cameras, well,
recording, I think is both additive and

a detriment at the same time, because
speaking for me on the JB episode, I

didn't even realize it, but because
we were on camera subconsciously, I

made the money finger signs, whatever
he was talking about, the success

of Moonlight determining season two.

And so I didn't even realize
I was doing it until JV was

like, oh, is making money sign.

Jude: Well in the, in the little,
in one of the two interns.

When he was like, Hey, that
seems like a little gift.

That was that moment where he's
talking about missing the beard.

And I, because I took my camera
off and I flashed my camera back

on really quick and back off, so he
could see the beard one more time.

And that's, and that's when he was
like, Hey and stuff, but you know,

Trey: it's been fun.

I don't, I can't imagine going back to not
having the cameras on the recording side.

Jude: Yeah.

But I, I mean, I still think
the cameras are for just us.

I don't know if I want those out yet.

Trey: Oh no, no.

Nobody wants to

Jude: see those closet.

Oh, look.

Hey.

There's video of June.

Yeah.

The bottom parts of
sleeves, the long sleeves.

Trey: Okay.

Well, you were already on the tangent.

I, you know, whenever we went
into video cameras, it was

still in the cooler months.

Now that it's getting hotter, I've
just become, so self-aware of like

how much I sweat in the closet and I
never noticed it until we started using

care.

Jude: It's so different.

So hot in here.

Whereas in like winter, like I
have like the beanie on and the

headphones and like long I'm bundled.

Trey: Yeah.

Anyway, back to the episode, if
you downloaded this episode, then

you know, we've got a couple of
quick reactions coming up for you.

Uh, so if you've been paying attention
to the pod feed a few weeks ago, I put

out a solo reaction episode to dark
stranger, the multi-verse madness,

but since Jude hadn't seen it at the
time, He didn't get to be on that one.

So we're circling back to that,
but we also have two really

exciting announcements that we're
gonna be talking about today.

Starting off with the first one,
we have confirmation of the echo

show coming to Disney plus in 2023.

And we got our first official look
at it, which features echo sitting

along kind of like a heavy piece of
equipment and just looking very tired.

Was there anything that stood out
to you about that news announcement?

Jude: Yes.

That's how awesome a character.

She wasn't Hawkeye.

We get a screenshot and it's
like, okay, first Fisher look.

And everyone's excited.

Like, like, you know what I mean?

It's amazing that we talked
about it with the Hawkeye.

Just how well she did in Alika, Crocs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it, well, I wasn't thinking of, of
the name, but just, just the stuff we

talked about in terms of like acting and.

Being with, um, you know, sign language
and just really fleshing out that

character through there and, and, you
know, with the gestures and facial

expressions, which, which, I mean, a
lot of actors do that and performers,

you have that, but you know, you're
taken away voice inflection, you

know, but you still get the, the
anger and everything out of it.

And it was such a fun and good character.

Yeah.

I mean, we get to see the whole
screenshot and it's like, oh man, this is,

Trey: I remember we did our predictions
episode at the beginning of this year.

And we were just kind of taking some stabs
in the dark to see what we'd land on.

I had thought maybe we'd get echo
this year, but it does seem like a 20,

23 will be the target date for that.

So.

Even though that was my prediction,
which may be a little bit contradictory.

It's funny to me how, when I first saw the
news, I was like, oh, this feels early.

Jude: It does feel early.

It did feel early.

I was surprised.

Um, yeah.

Well, Hannah does that mean we
might get to see Kate Bishop?

Um, I hope so.

That'd

Trey: be interesting if she ends up
showing up in the echo show or you Julina,

Jude: I'll take either one.

Trey: I wonder if maybe it'll
be like a passing cameo.

I can't imagine they would, we like
B series featured, but I could see

like an episode brief appearance.

Jude: Yeah.

And if that's the case, I'm
going to say, um, Bishop.

Trey: Oh, cool.

That is officially in
production and coming in 2023.

The other exciting news we got, and
this one completely caught me off guard.

We have our first trailer or first
full length trailers say, cause we've

had snippets before, but the first
full link trailer for attorney at

law, uh, it's going to be releasing
on August 17th, 20, 22 of this year.

And I guess I'll go first this time.

It looks really funny.

I think that's what
stood out to me on that.

First impression is the humor
was just front and center.

I particularly liked the line wherever
she Hulk and Hulk are trying to

learn how to use the powers and hoax
like, well, you need to have fear

and anger that seems to trigger it.

And she's like, dude, that's the
baseline of the woman experience.

Jude: I know I keep
saying this over and over.

I'm going to love this show
because of Tatyana Mizani and

cause she, you can't say this
enough as amazing an orphan black.

You know, my, my brother texted me.

He said, he thought the CGI wasn't great.

Kind of have to agree with him.

But as early it is, as it is.

And we've seen this before, where they
get a trailer out there and we know the

CG, that's not the final rendering right.

Of a CGI.

So in that sense, I don't, I think, I
think there, I'm not too worried about it.

Um, the only thing I would be worried
about is that 30 minute sitcom

kind of format, otherwise it looks
like it's going to be a lot of.

Like just a straight up the sitcom,

Trey: you know, and you
know, and we talked about it

at the start of moon night.

I've can't remember what episode
we brought it up on, but we talked

about how, like, we went from
no way home to moon night to Dr.

Strange in the multi-verse of madness.

And every one of those entries had a bit
of weight to them, like the heaviness

of the topics that they were dealing
with to get miss Marvel and a few weeks.

And now she hope falling after.

It's nice to have the levity of the MCU.

Again, not that, not that I can imagine.

We'll get some emotional moments because
Marvel's really good at that, but it

is nice to just be having fun again.

And I do go ahead.

Well, go ahead.

Cause I was going to change
to a different subject.

Oh,

Jude: I was going to say is like,
we've seen Marvel do this before

at man and man and the wasp right.

Where it's kind of that.

You get this emotional moments, you
know, they're there because of, because

of the themes and what it's about with
family, but it's, there's a lot of levity

to it, you know, and it's a fun movie.

So I'm imagining, you know,
from that, from this trailer,

something along those lines.

Yeah.

Trey: What I was going to circle back to.

I do agree.

Uh, I think we're, I think it is
pretty much the elephant in the room.

The CGI doesn't look great.

I don't know if there's anything I
could add to it that it hasn't been set

already online, but when we watched the
trailer again, right before we started

recording, just to get a fresh viewing,
one of the things I paid attention to

this time versus the first few times
I watched it is the facial expressions

I think are still coming through and
the animation, uh, which is something

that felt like Tatyana Malani was
bringing in some of the human form.

That was really, really cool.

And I thought, oh, are we going
to lose that in the form?

But there there's a line she gives
again where she's talking about

like, oh, I'm not a superhero.

That's for narcissist
billionaires and adult orphans.

For some reason, the facial inflection
in that point is really good.

So even if the CGI let's hope it gets
polished, but say it doesn't, the

performance is still coming through
and I, I can live with that for a TV.

Jude: Yes.

I, 100%.

I mean, that's, that's the thing on
the CGI, you know, there, there is this

element of you want the, you don't want
the CGI to take you out of something.

Right.

But if the CGI is so bad or like
that's your only focus, the story

and the acting and all that other
stuff is obviously not grabbing.

You know, and, and, and so that's
the other place where it's like,

okay, I'm not going to be that work.

Trey: Well, it's like what we talked about
in moon night there, it was forgivable.

Like, there was like, there was so
much other things we were, were paying

attention to that it was okay to look past
some of the less than stellar CGI work.

Oh yeah.

Well, I think that'll wrap up those
two little news announcements.

It's really cool.

I'm glad we've got a look at what's
to come, uh, because we have Ms.

Marvel and the horizon.

We have Thor, and now it seems like
we know what's coming out after Thor

with she hold on August 17th, 2020.

Now for the main portion of
our podcast this week, we're

gonna be talking about Dr.

Strange in the multi-verse of madness,
and we're going to do this the way we

always do when it comes to things that
are very new, we're going to have some

pre spoiler thoughts, and that'll give us
a chance to talk about it without getting

into spoilers, followed by an audio cue,
which will take us into the spoiler zone.

That'll be fair game for all spoilers.

So before we get there, Jude, what are
your pre spoiler thoughts for multi-verse

Jude: of madness?

Definitely the same Raimi movie is
so funny in the comic book club,

Sean coworker, Sean and I were
saying that, and we had students

that like, okay, I've heard that.

What does that mean?

Um, we ended up having to pull up the
trailer to, uh, evil debt, to an army

of darkness and, you know, and, and
kind of explain his style and stuff.

Um, but that, yeah, definitely like,
like I heard that before I saw it and it

immediately, it was just like, yes, this
is clearly something, same rainy day.

And

Trey: you know, it's funny.

I, my experience with Sam Raimi
is exclusively the Spiderman

films, the Toby Maguire ones.

I'm not sure if I'm familiar with any of
his other works, but from what I know of

them, it's, it's easy to see how much of.

Uh, I think friend Daniel used
this term imprint that Sam

Raimi left on the movie itself.

Um, you know, I have now
seen this movie twice.

Uh, so I'm not going to reiterate too
much of what I said there, but I did

want to at least share this because
this seems to be a very polarizing entry

and the MCU actually saw an article,
compare it to iron man three in terms

of the polarization, but I didn't get
to finish reading it before we recorded,

but I'll, I'll look it in the show notes.

That's interesting.

I know.

I want to go see what they had to
say about it, but I was talking

to my friend niche and she said
something that helped solidify.

I thought I was having, so to set that up,
she mentioned, you know, when I watched.

It checked all the boxes.

Like I was entertained, it was fun.

I liked it, but it just,
there was something missing.

And the thought that it completed for
me was I feel like one of the biggest

praises about the MCU is that it is
comfortable not taking itself too

seriously and can poke fun of itself.

And I think that adds levity to the
moments that really are endearing

and meaningful, but there's something
about multi-verse of manners that

felt like it didn't take it seriously
enough, if that makes sense.

Jude: Yeah.

Oh, trust me.

It makes sense.

Like, am I, I mean, am I appreciate
other thoughts and you already know this

and Tara is, you know, TK is probably
when they're listening and it's going

to be like, what are you doing to you?

You know?

Cause she knows my thoughts.

Oh.

And I just wanted the pre
spoiler part to be positive.

Trey: That's the hardest part about the
position that I'm in is that I think

of the two of us, you're the most harsh
on it, but it's very hard to defend.

And the more I think about it though,
the more I started slipping on that

mountain, but as far as initial
impressions, I did enjoy it, but

it'll be funny to see how it happens

Jude: here.

I'll read.

How about this appreciable or thoughts?

I will at least read the
texts that I'm referring to.

Okay.

You know, and, and terror, terror,
terrorists, or TKs response.

Whoa, hot take.

I definitely don't think
that's, uh, it's at that level.

Uh, but yeah, to our pod vendors,
group chat, I finally, I was texting

and talking about it and finally I was
just like, okay, I'll just embrace it.

This is the MC use rise of Skywalker.

So yeah.

Yeah.

Trey: Well, I don't think
there's ever been a better lead

in for the spoilers on that.

So, like I said, you're going to hear an
audio cue and on the other side it will

be fair game for all spoilers and the MCU.

We'll see you.

On the other side

and we're back.

I can already tell you, I know this,
this episode's going to ruffle some

feathers because there are some
very enamored people with this pill.

Jude: And so, yeah.

Yeah.

I actually intentionally didn't
jot down any notes to try

to avoid going to negative.

Trey: Well, you know, the first part of
the outline we have, and it's so funny

when I sat down to, cause we have a pretty
much standardized template that we use for

the reactions and I was going through, it
was like, all right, we're gonna do this.

We're gonna do that.

All right.

The first question we ask is,
did it meet your expectations?

Oh no, I didn't.

I didn't know how

Jude: that was.

Let's see.

I can answer that yesterday.

No.

Trey: Actually that's
the same answer I have.

And I'm very curious.

Go ahead.

What was, uh, what's your guess on

Jude: my, my, yes is because I didn't
see it opening weekend and I didn't

have any spoilers, but I knew enough.

Um, I think the closest thing to
spoilers and I told you about this

was like scrolling through and
seeing a headline that was like,

like how many cameos did this have?

You know, but that's all it
said, it didn't show a picture.

So like, okay.

So I don't want to get a lot of cameos,
but that wasn't that big of a spoiler.

It's a multi-verse movie.

I'd be disappointed that it wasn't it's

Trey: expected.

Yeah.

Even with the trailer, like, uh,

Jude: Patrick Stewart.

So yeah, so like my, where it met my
expectations and where I enjoyed watching

it was I knew going in that it was a
Raimi movie and not, not in the sense

of like, oh, he's the director, but
people say, oh, this is the most Ramy.

MCU movie, you, you know what I mean?

It was very much him.

And so in that sense, knowing that going
in, I had my expectations of what I

knew I was about to see stylistically.

And so in that sense, it was
like, yeah, it's a Raimi film.

Like this was, this was a fun
watch taking my oldest with me.

And I mean, this is PG 13, but this
is the only horror movie, right.

That they've seen in the theater.

Um, yeah, in theater, like
at home, you know, I've seen

stuff, but yeah, in theater.

And so seeing that reaction,
seeing, you know, the jump scares,

having them lean over nurses, like
I'm not going to sleep tonight.

Well,

it was that scene where, you know, it's
coming and you're expecting wander to bust

through the door, but then she comes out.

From the side,

Trey: uh, when she
stocking the other Wanda,

Jude: would she stocking Christine and Dr.

Strain where it does the slow down?

Yeah, it does that slow down.

It's in the tunnel and stuff.

And like, you're expecting to make
sure the door and that one, it was

a really big jump scare for them.

And I'm not sleeping the night.

It's like, oh, that met my
expectations from that sense.

No, in that it felt like a Raimi film.

It felt like I was watching a Raimi
film with MCU window decorations and

dressing, you know, and, and I was like,
okay, so this was a fun, Sam Raimi movie

is a really disappointing MCU movie.

And so in that sense,
no, it didn't circling

Trey: back to the, your oldest leaning
over and saying, I'm not sleeping tonight.

I remember you texted me before going.

You're like, Can I bring my kids to this.

And I was just like, that's my
least favorite question, because I

never know what the right answer is.

I didn't even have to be horror.

It's like, oh, is this
appropriate for kids?

And I'm like, I don't know.

But I mentioned that it was like it take
one division and go one step further.

And that's like, I think the level
of fear that this had, and I didn't

know if that was appropriate,

Jude: but, uh, um, no, and very, very
early on, um, with like the DEI balling.

Yeah.

Trey: That was killed.

Jude: Yeah.

It's brutal.

Oh my gosh.

It's brutal.

You know, and I forgot which, but that
was a nod to one of his other movies

and I forgot what you wanted right now.

Um, and that's, that's the other thing.

It was, everything was so much
a nod to his previous movies.

But my oldest leaned over and
was like, yeah, it's good.

We left the other two at home.

Well,

Trey: so, you know, it's so funny, like
everything you just said, I'm with you.

I think the only place that we've butt
heads is with the rise of Skywalker

comparison, but I think that's
just my dislike of star wars rather

than the disagreement on this film,

Jude: because well, well, and the reason
why I had that thought at the end was

cause I remember, or finally just said,
Hey, I'm going to embrace that is I

remember leaving rise of Skywalker having
like enjoyed the experience, right?

Like, like, oh, this was a fun,
like, like it was a fun movie, right?

Like, like it was action and
there was stuff and it was like,

and so immediately walk out.

Oh, that was fun.

But the more I, the
further away I get from.

And that in that initial
experience goes away.

And I get to think about it.

I'm like, eh, no, that doesn't work.

No, this doesn't work.

No, that doesn't work.

You know what I mean?

And so, and so it's like,
you know, I mean, yeah.

Rise of Skywalker.

My initial watch.

It was like, you know, I mean, yes, I
had problems with it too, as I watched

it, but from start to finish, like by
the end, I'm like, oh, that was fun.

I'm glad I saw it.

You know?

Um, the more, the further I get
away from it and I'm like, okay, No.

Uh, and, and that's where, especially
in the, in the group tax where

I was like, no, I just have to
embrace this because the more I

text I'm like it, the worst it gets,

Trey: I think I put in the group text
that there's a level of pettiness that I

think a movie would have to get for me to
be on the same level rise of Skywalker.

So, but again, that's where
it's in a weird position because

it's a weird position because
like, it's, I've settled on it.

Just being fun.

Like as, even as I go through
to answer the question of,

did it meet my expectations?

I'm in the yes.

And no camp as you.

Yes.

I expected some, like, multi-verse
ask shenanigans with cameos.

I thought it was going to be fun.

And it meant that the problem, and
maybe this is a bit of an unfair

expectation for the movie itself.

The first Dr.

Strange is in my top five.

Like it is one of my favorite MCU movies.

And to walk away from this one
where the story is, the weakest

part does not meet the expectations.

And that, that was the
disappointing factor of it.

So it hasn't faded in the
enjoyment of it being fun.

But what falls apart when I think about it
is just the story itself and that's what

I was meaning with the preschooler thought
of it didn't take itself too seriously,

like enough or not too seriously.

That sounds negative, but it didn't
take itself seriously enough.

There's just moments that feel
awkward, like the end where Dr.

Strange as a zombie has giving
the motivational speech to

American Chavez as a zombie.

And it's, it's just so black
luster it's the it's it's, it's

a step above the, the power was
within you all along kind of thing.

And it's just cheesy.

And the

Jude: final, the

Trey: final bit, and
then I'll turn it to you.

Final bit stuff like the, uh, Scarlet
witch taking out the Illuminati.

It's fun.

I liked it, but from the audience
perspective, if you've been waiting

to see these characters for a while,
the fact that they're done, like

imagine being really excited to get Mr.

Fantastic.

And this is the first
depiction of them in the MCU.

And they're done away with so quickly.

I'm not even talking about the
professor, professor Xavier.

I'm not even talking about the level
of quality of the acting or whatever.

It's just doing a way dismissively
of a character that hasn't

even appeared in the prime form

Jude: yet.

Right.

So, okay.

Two thoughts.

I think some of the things you were
saying, actually, I completely agree with

that gets me to that rise of Skywalker
category, where it doesn't get you there

because you brought up the pettiness and
I'm going to read these texts because

in following up the rise of Skywalker
thing, you were like, I think there's

an inherent pettiness and spite, a movie
has to reach what you just said, right.

To get to the level of rise of Skywalker.

You know, and you said this movie,
swamp from that, Missy, my response was

because of my cousin rise of Skywalker,
they were trying to walk back previous

content and like attempting to be good.

Yeah.

That, that was problematic because
we're watching it and we all know

that the pettiness is there and
they're trying to walk things back.

Trey: Right.

My favorite description of it is, is
someone said it was like JJ Abrams

and Ryan Johnson were trying to do
an improv scene, but neither one

of them knew how to yes, they end.

Jude: Right?

Oh, absolutely.

And this movie walked back previous con.

Just out of ignorance.

It wasn't trying to, but it did.

And I'm like, what are you doing
that like, that's, that's where it

really annoyed me is like, you're
walking back so much stuff because

you want your style, you know?

Um, and that, and I mean, in fairness,
I'm, I'm putting all the blame on

Sam Raimi when I say it that way.

Um, like I, I don't think that's a hundred
percent fair, you know, I'd be curious.

Trey: Like, what do you
mean by walking back?

Because,

Jude: uh, I think, I think the Wanda,
I think I don't, I don't think the,

the development with Wanda doesn't make
sense, uh, to me of how Wanda got there.

Like it just, it just
doesn't make sense for me.

The.

I mean, you get Yulaina, you know,
you get Kate Bishop, you get Wanda,

this, just go to Wanda and see her
coming through and you see all that.

And then we get this buildup of America
Chavez, and she's basically a MacGuffin,

you know, it's like, it's like the, the,
the, the movie had two MacGuffin, right?

And they had the Hitchcock style of
MacGuffin and the George Lucas style

of MacGuffin and the Hitchcock style
is I need the MacGuffin and that's,

you know, basically MacGuffin, right?

This is going to kick
off the plot audience.

Doesn't need to know what it is.

It's just, they're not
such got Lucas thought.

No, the audience needs to
care about the McGough.

Right.

And, and, and be interested in
investing in the MacGuffin and

needs to know, for example, the
droids R two D two C three PO.

That's what the good book of Ashanti
was, was the Hitchcock, MacGuffin,

and American Chavez was the droids.

Let me, I mean, outside of that,
the relationship development

between Harn strange was weak
at best and just super forced.

It just, it just wasn't well done.

Um, like, I mean, I, I actually reached
a point where in my thought where I'm

like, I don't remember if I said this to
you or a friend Daniel, but I was like,

this makes Loki so much better to me.

And so much more impressed with Kate
Heron as a director, because what she

was able to do with Michael Waldron
script, Sam Raimi, wasn't capable of

doing, because the script was too.

And, you know, and, and, and we just,
and if that was the script they're

going to go with, they need somebody
who can direct better than Ramy and

his, you know, can, is willing to
sacrifice his style to make it good and

Trey: defensive Waldron.

I will say this there's been reports
that there was definitely more

screen time devoted to scenes.

Like there was a cut scene where
we actually start with our Mordo

going to a cabin where Wanda
is, and she kills him there.

Uh, reported there was a report that this
movie was originally 30 minutes longer

and it got cut down for two hours because
of Ramy wanting that fast paced feel.

So.

I'm not ready to call Waldron
terrible, but I want to put

Jude: that defense in there.

If, if, if it was Walgreen's idea to like,
Hey, I'm going to watch Deadpool two and

see them make the X-Force team and then
kill them off and try to recreate that.

But in a much worse way
with Illuminati then yeah.

I would say it's pretty crappy writing.

All right.

I

Trey: just wanted to make sure to
at least get that defense in there.

Jude: Yeah.

It's there's very little defense.

It was like, dude, did you even watch.

One division, like you realize
all these are connected.

It's a universe, right?

Anyways, I have very little good
things to say about this movie.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Like, like, uh, like the best, one of
the best things about it is I went on a

Wednesday and the theater I go to on a
Wednesday, it's like $5, no matter the

time, like I saved the money that it

Trey: was cheap.

Jude: Like not only, not only that,
like I got comped, like, like my

head in, and then I ordered drinks
and they didn't bring us our drinks.

And, but they brought my
oldest air drink and popcorn.

And because we didn't get ours
in the whole theater got food and

we're watching them get refills.

They gave us, I got two movie
passes to go back and the popcorn

and kid got popcorn and drinks for.

Trey: It was actually Michael Waldron.

He was behind the

Jude: concessions, since
that was the best part.

That was the best part of the experience.

It was great.

Oh, my I'm going to go see, throw
her love and thunder on them.

Oh, wow.

Well that

Trey: works right.

That I will say.

That's how I saw, I believe
Logan for free the Wolverine

movie, because I went and saw.

And they didn't turn off the lights
for like the first 20 minutes.

So I had to go tell them and they gave
me a free pass and I used it on looking

Jude: nice.

That's the way to do it.

Trey: Go be miserable in a theater.

Jude: All right.

See, I guess that's, that's why the seat,
this is why I didn't take notes because I

knew once I got rolling, I wouldn't stop.

So I got to, I'm going
to tap the brakes now.

Well, I'm

Trey: scared to go to the next
one, because the question is,

what was your favorite scene?

Jude: Your turn to go first.

Trey: Okay.

My turn to go first.

This is also weird because like, I've
already put out some first thoughts.

Uh, so I'm going to try and do
ones I haven't already talked

about in that first impression.

One of the things that I liked
the first time, but I really

remembered to talk about this time
was in that opening fight sequence.

I liked that Dr.

Strange, pretty much used Mehan
may hands, uh, from D and D when he

was fighting the giants, Cyclops,
creature, whatever I thought the

invent of use of magic was really cool.

Hang on.

Jude: I'm I'm forgetting what it is.

Uh, gore something, hang on.

I'm in the closet and I don't have
my D and D books with me D and D one.

I monster it's a, the holder I'm thinking.

Yeah, essentially he thought of a holder.

Okay.

So that's what it's

Trey: called.

Jude: Yeah.

Like, like we'll put a lead.

Yeah.

In terms of D and D we put a link in the
show notes, it's basically a beholder.

Um, so did you look it up?

Do you see what a holder looks like?

No, I can look it up, like, okay.

Like I promise you.

That was the first

Trey: thing I saw is definitely
looks like a beholder.

Garganto is what they call it.

Jude: It's it's a older, but, okay.

Yeah.

I think the, one of the biggest things
is I immediately in that opening

wedding battle, see, look, I paused
and hesitated just for a second.

Cause like I immediately
had a negative thought.

Um, but was it, it was very re
I mean, it was, it was basically

the doc fight since Spider-Man to,
you know, going up the building.

Um, and, and I don't mean that in
a negative way, like to me, that

was a fun, good callback, you know?

Um, and you know, and, and the
working together of Wong and Dr.

Strange.

So, yeah, so I really
liked that aspect of it.

I'm going to stop there and
hold my other two thoughts.

Yeah, I don't have to
bash on the movie anymore.

At

Trey: this point, I feel like before we
wrap this up, I almost kind of want to

end this episode by setting a three-minute
timer and just letting you whale on it.

Just get it all out there.

Jude: Now I've seen that in my chart,
uh, seeing that I really did like,

which so interesting because brother
Daniel texted me and he was like,

he's like consumer would have done
so much better than Danny Elfman.

Like he did.

He didn't like that, which I
thought was so funny if you,

Trey: okay, nevermind.

This is brother Danny.

I was going to say, if you
discredit the music battle scene,

I'm going to be so heartbroken.

Jude: Well, his checks for me was,
I didn't know, his text to me was I

didn't like the music note battle.

Probably this is brother Daniel.

I know probably mostly
because it was Danny Elfman.

And then I said, I enjoyed
that part actually.

Cause I, I actually really liked
it and it was really clever, the

use of notes and the visuals.

I really enjoyed that.

But then I did follow that
up mainly due to the vicious.

Like, I, I didn't like the, I dunno, the
music didn't do anything for me there.

I was just, I was so
caught up with the visuals.

I just, I really liked that.

And then that's when he got his response,
Hans Zimmer would have done better.

Um, and I said, true,

Trey: you brought an
element to a Zimmer fight.

Jude: Yeah.

Right.

That would have been really cool.

Right.

Like if you got Elfman to do like one
of them and collaborator with Zimmer to

do the other, like that, would've been
really neat, but no, in all seriousness,

like that fight, I was really, really
enjoyed the visuals there, you know?

And I just, I just thought that
was a clever way of like taking.

I mean, I know it was all CGI, but,
but taking like material and turning it

into magic, you know, and this use of,
of, um, uh, sound with it, you know?

Uh, but yeah, I was just
enamored with the visuals there.

Trey: Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

And I was getting nervous cause I was
definitely one of my favorite scenes,

uh, like, cause I, I mentioned it in
my episode, the two standout moments

that I had walking out was the music
battle and captain Carter herself.

So we're fine.

We'll we'll make it out of this episode.

Jude: Oh yeah.

I'm with you and Kevin Carter.

Yeah.

Until they killed her.

Trey: This is the spoiler zone.

You can say it

Jude: well, yeah, until they
killed her, it was like, oh my yes,

captain Carter look how awesome.

And the fan base loved her.

And what if and all this stuff.

What that's

okay.

Well, I'll come in with
another, uh, Ramy UGU

Trey: we never quite got over Sam
Raimi, ruining Spiderman three.

That's all.

This is, although I think you, you
starting to come around on sand on

the third Spiderman film, aren't you?

Jude: Uh, yeah, I don't, I don't
think it's as bad as I remember it.

Um, you know, um, I think of those three,
and this is a whole other conversation.

I think of those three that's well, you
got a couple of things it's, you know,

where Sony starts doing it, Sony thing.

Um, it's the most Ramy, I think, of
the three films, if that makes sense.

Um, you know, and yeah, it was over past.

Uh, but there's some elements of like,
like, okay, I see a theme that you are

trying to have all the way through.

And you know, when it just wasn't
pulled off, as well as the first two,

Trey: can I say, I know, we're suppose
to be talking about favorite scenes.

I think that's the, the smoking
gun of the story being so weak.

There's not a very cohesive
theme in this movie at all.

Like it, it is not that far off from, and
then this happened and then this happened.

They try to do some interesting
things with strange, always justifying

the, there was no other way.

And then also the other half.

Are you happy, but I don't feel a
cohesive theme throughout this movie.

And that's, what's disappointing to

Jude: me.

Yeah.

But that's not Ramy fault.

That's the writer's fault.

Well, what was, what was my big complaint?

And one of the things we talked
about with Loki of like, I'm going

to introduce these big ideas, but I
really don't know how to answer them.

And I'm going to just jump one to
the other because I really don't know

what I'm talking about, but I just
like to introduce big ideas because

it's fun, but I'm not going to ask
you the timer now or yeah, go ahead.

I'm not going to actually take one and
pull it through to the end, you know?

And it was like, and, and like, I should
have been aware of it and already of

like, man, if you're going to do that
with low key and that's a long form

storytelling, there's no way you're
going to pull the thread of happiness

all the way through here in a short.

It just, and you know, it's
just not going to happen.

Trey: The other scene I enjoyed very much
is the, uh, the defendant car montage.

I just thought that was very well done
to the intensity of it and watching Wong

get to issue the orders was really cool.

I, I just, I think I've seen people
start to deem this phase Wong and

I'm all for it because I think in the
Presbyterian of she, Hulk Wong will be

appearing and there was like officially
Marvel studios released information

that it starring Wong as well.

Uh, so I'm always happy to see more of

Jude: him.

Well, and it's one of those things
that, yes, I enjoyed that scene too.

Um, but it was all visuals, like
what the, what I enjoyed about it

was the visuals, the really, really
cool part for me of all that secret.

Was the reflections and they were
having to go and like cover up all

the reflections, you know, like,
I don't know why that, that really

I liked and kind of spoke to me,
but yeah, like that you're right.

The, the visuals of that was really cool.

And, but I do remember watching
that and thinking, man, this

feels like an inset piece.

What are they going to do in the end?

You know?

And that's a problem,
you know what I mean?

Like the very first, as much as I
had the nod to Spiderman two and the

visuals and the first, you know, and
not the very first, first where we

meet American Javez, but the wedding
fight that we been talking about.

It's like, I get it.

Like if you're going to do that, you got
to set it up with something big and you're

going to introduce both megaphones right.

At the beginning, you know?

Um, and you introduce the flaw.

Our hero has to overcome right in
the beginning, you know, it's very,

Trey: you mean the problem that
was solved in the first Dr.

Strains,

Jude: right?

Um, well, I mean, but it
said, is that very like, you

know, the, this cookie cutter.

You know, I'm going to spend the
first 10 pages of a script 10 minutes,

you know, that gets me to plot point
a, which is what's going to be the

problem that kicks everything off,
which is America child is, you know,

is here and doesn't trust strange.

And then you're going to spend
from plot point a to plot point B,

trying to figure out how to fix it.

Plot point B is where you
figure out how to fix it.

And then the last section of the
movie at your plot point B is actually

doing what it is to, to fix it.

I mean, it, it follows
a pretty basic formula.

Um, and in that sense, and it's
like, you know, in each thing there

was no, well, think about right.

And you love that movie.

I like in a, and not that I don't like
it, but between the two of us, like

that's on a different level for you.

Um, And we both agree and talk
about when you watch the fighting

each time, there's like a level
of, there's a level up, right.

And there's this man what's
going to happen next.

Like it was so grand in the
beginning that it's like, this

feels like it'd be an inset piece.

Okay.

This feels like an inset that it was
just like, eh, there was no build, you

know, it was just a roller, you know,
it's just not even a rollercoaster.

It was like that.

W what was that ride?

That carnivals, the gravitron,
it's just going to spin really fast

and you're stuck to the wall and
it's fun to be stuck to the wall,

but that's all it does like that.

You know what I mean?

There was no real build to it.

And, uh, in, in that sense, so yeah,

Trey: if a movie's going to do
that, it has to have more substance

than I think this movie has.

And that's where it leaves it with a
little bit more style than substance

Jude: and Ramy is not
the director to overcome.

Trey: I think it's your turn for a
favorite scene, unless, uh, that was it.

Jude: The other S the other scene that
would want to bring up was the wedding.

And I have an article I'm bad about
reading an article and then losing it.

Trey: Well, now I know
to look at the click

Jude: up.

Um, and so I'm looking real quick.

So I try, I tried to make
sure I saved this one.

Yeah, of course I didn't.

Of course I didn't.

So we'll see.

I will try to try to find it again,
but essentially the article was talking

about essentially the wedding scene and
how wonderful the wedding scene was.

And that brief moment,
uh, with the doctor Dr.

Nick west.

Well, yeah, Nick, Nick
west, is that right?

And, and that's, and that's part
of what you were saying that

set up of like, Hey, I had to do
what I had to do kind of thing.

But there's still ramifications
of like, wait a minute.

In that time, I lost five years.

I lost my cats and I love the
way they did that too, you know?

So they did get something
right in the script.

And I lost my brother, you know,
because like normal quote unquote

normal Marvel movie that we kind of
point out of like that, that comedy,

that undercuts the moment would have
flipped that and said it would have

been like, and I lost my brother.

It's like pause.

And then be like, and my cats,
I lost my cats, you know?

And then we all kind of laugh,
but like, they give us that,

that, that humor moment, right.

Unless my cats didn't really
know the cats, this is Dr.

Nick west, like, okay, who cares?

And then he's like, and
my brother, you know?

And so you really see the weight,
you know, of like of the decisions

strange made, you know, and
that was a wonderful exchange.

And it's like, it's like that.

How do you take that?

And that make the thread through and
truly pull the thread through not

just like spurts of moments, you know,
uh, throughout the film, but then be

confused at what the theme is in general.

I like, oh, it's not, it's about
happy anyways, about happiness, but,

but I loved, I loved that scene.

Right.

And it's like, and.

Yeah.

So I don't know, um, that,
that was, I loved it.

That was a great

Trey: scene.

I remember at that moment, I
was like, okay, here, we like,

we've got the emotional core of
what this movie is going to be.

And I paired it with what I had
known from the trailers, with the

conversation between Wanda and
strange, where she's like, when you

break the rules, you become a hero.

When I break the rules, I'm a
villain that doesn't seem fair.

I think this movie, the biggest
waste of this movie is not

exploring that theme because I
think it is a very valid criticism.

The problem is I think they were,
they were so excited to get to evil,

Wanda, that they made her a straw man.

Like, because I've
talked about this before.

I know you disagree.

Cause you say it's walking back,
Wanda, everything they're doing

with Wanda logically make sense.

This is the trajectory she was on
from one division dude, the book,

the way it ends at the book and the,
the, the learning from the what's it

called the dark hold the dark hole.

Thank you.

Like this is where they were going.

You could see that's
where they were headed.

So logically, that makes sense.

But if you make the emotion, if you make
the turn of a character like that off

screen, that is betraying the audience.

I think

Jude: so.

She's right.

It's not.

And it, wasn't great to explore a
big idea of somebody who could write

about great ideas and big ideas and
pull that thread all the way through

this personal I'm sorry, dude.

It's just not good at all.

Uh, so frustrating, but my issue
is, is going to be this right?

Like first off it, Hey, it answers
the question of like, yes, the

Disney plus shows are important.

Yes.

You can't get from end game to
this without watching one division.

Right.

And I'm even making the case.

I would think that you can't even
get to this from one division.

And the reason why is yeah, she hears her
sons in the dark hold right at the end.

But like, that's all you gave us.

If we get nothing about her
actually searching for her sons.

Yeah.

She lost him in their grief, but like
he chose like, like she chose to give

up and stopping Agis that world she
created when she was clearly powerful

enough to keep it, if she wanted to,
but she chose to get rid of that.

Right.

So in that sense, there was not fully
cause I, I, I don't disagree with you

what she said on one division on, well,
we don't really have our lesson learned.

Right.

But she's on the way to learning that.

It's like, w where, what got her.

I mean, it would have made sense
if the dark hole took over.

Right.

But that's kind of what they tried to do.

And some other Wanda multi-verse
wise was taking control of our Wanda.

You know what I mean?

And I, and I think that would have been.

Better or more plausible or believable,
but with ours it's like ours.

Meaning what we saw in one division.

Yeah.

I don't disagree on grief, but
at the same time, it's like,

no, she knew she was giving up.

She had the whole scene where
she said her goodbyes, you know?

And so, and then like the whole
idea of like, wait, you do

this and get to be the hero.

I do this.

And I get to be the villain.

I mean, great line.

But it's like, what do you mean villain?

But yeah.

I mean, whatever, you were in a cabin
in the woods enjoying your time.

And Dr.

Strange was like, I'm
not here about west view.

I don't care.

Like he didn't see her as a villain.

So when was she a villain outside of
like comic book knowledge and you know,

and so that's the other thing where just
like, it just, it didn't make sense.

You know, it's, it's like, it's like my
problem with the last Jedi, you know, it's

like, you want, it's like, it's like, you
want Luke, you know, this Jedi master to

like face down his own father in front of
the emperor and lay down his lightsaber.

And you want us to believe that, like,
because of some vision he's scared

of Kylo Ren, like without actually
having to do the legwork to make it

believable, you just, I want to say
that's the case and just like, that's

dumb and that's what they did here.

It's like, we're just going to say it.

Not going to actually give you the
legwork to, to bring the character there.

And it's like, okay, thank you.

Lazy writing, but it's, it's just dumb.

I'm just, I'm just thankful that the,
that the MCU is doing multi-verse stuff.

Because when you start to walk this
movie back because of the horrible

entry that it is into the MCU, it's,
it's going to be doable and believable.

Cause we're just going to, you know, like
my coworker, Shawn was like, he has this

thought of like, did we even watch our
with the multi-verse it could be the case.

We didn't even watch our strange, so I'm
done because otherwise I'm just going

to go, just keep bagging on this movie,

Trey: the pushback and the 6
1 6, like they specifically

stated that was 6 1 6, strange.

So we can't, you're not
gonna escape that way gone.

I legitimately thought they
were gearing up for it.

Whenever the fi the scene in the
movie ends with him walking down

the street, everything seems fine.

And he falls to the ground.

I thought we were going to get some
revelation of like, going back to no way

home when the, with all the universes,
I thought that was going to somehow

show that that was a different story.

That

Jude: would have been amazing that
that would have, because like,

so, so traditionally 6 1 6 is the
main comic line starting in 1963.

Trey: I thought that was just

Jude: MCU.

No, no, no.

6 1 6.

That's been around since the sixties.

That's like the main universe, 6 1, 6 main
comic lines, universe central and six.

And so when they bring that up
in far from home, it's clearly an

Easter egg, because Mysterio then
says, you know, it was all alive.

He was making it up.

Right.

And so like the 6 1 6
is kind of a funny nod.

I was like, okay, so you said 6, 1 6 heat.

Trey: It's also mentioned
in Thor, the dark world,

Jude: as like, did you,
oh, there was a dark world.

It was just written on the thing.

Right?

So that's again, a nod Easter egg.

So you need to tell me in this
movie, you went back to that.

Well, again, when you showed,
you're clearly capable of doing

fan service, unbelievably well and
game, but you went back to that.

Well, in a movie that's
literally about the multi-verse.

So either they're waiting
to spring this on.

And I said, I would have loved that ending
that you said they had, or, or I don't,

I don't even know what to say right now.

Or they got Michael Waldron to write
the script and they just decided,

Hey, you know what, screw it.

Fan services, fan service.

Trey: I will say this
whenever we circle back.

Cause this is a quick reaction.

Although this is turned into be a
deeper reaction than we normally do.

Whenever we circle back to do
our traditional like full on

movie review, where we do it.

Three-act structure breakdown.

It's going to be a wild episode

that if plight beat Ironman two,
as far as the, one of our hardest

listen listening ones where we just
beat up on that movie the entire time

Jude: are we really going to do that?

Trey: I imagined we had plans to circle
back to black, all the movies that come

out so far, we've always had the idea.

We were going to come back to them with
the three X structure structure, because

this is just supposed to be a quick
reaction that this is the first time

that we, I think we've had like a very
cause, even though I enjoyed it a little

bit more than you did, I would classify
mine as still a negative reaction.

You want to move on to the post

Jude: credit scene?

Um, I'm really curious.

So when it comes out on Disney plus,
and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking,

oh, am I going to rewatch this?

Or do I want to spend my
time watching iron man too?

And that's going to be.

Trey: Well, I'm going to go ahead
and move us into the post credits

Jude: so I can just go watch party.

It's just shorter.

Oh man.

Well,

Trey: the final act on are the final act.

The final bullet point on our outline
is asking, what does it mean for

the future of the MCU, uh, regarding
whatever happens in those two scenes?

The second one we know is just
kind of a joke with Bruce Campbell.

The first one.

I'm not going to get us out
of the nosedive of negativity.

I will say this.

I didn't like it.

And it's so funny to me because there's
a very popular tweet that circles

around where somebody was like very
disingenuine Lee saying, you know what?

My favorite part of a Marvel movie is
where you wait two minutes of names.

And then somebody comes in through
a door and says, Hey, it's me.

And they're basically just like poking
fun at how it's just some random setup,

as excited as I am for Charlie stair
on that in credit meant nothing to me.

And the third eye looks bad.

Jude: Um,

Trey: here we

Jude: go.

Okay.

Trey: I feel bad because
I, I, it's very funny.

I want get angry about that.

I feel like I'm poking and broaden,

Jude: so, okay.

So I'm going to do the second in credits.

Okay.

It was funny and really well done
with homecoming and captain America.

This was not funny.

It was dumb like, like the moment
where Bruce Campbell, where he starts

punching himself, I forgot that happened.

So when he first came on and
it was like, what are you here?

Like, it didn't register like,
oh, this is the three weeks later.

And he finally stopped.

I completely forgot that that happened.

And so I'm like, I don't understand
why I sat there for that.

When it was much more effective
with captain America, you know,

it's just like, I dunno, like if
I want to watch Bruce Campbell,

I'm going to go watch burn notice.

Right.

I'm going to watch because
it's in spurts and it's good.

And you have other people
supporting him to be better.

Um, but that was, that
was a waste of time.

Um, the first in credits, I didn't know
who Charlise . I know who she is now.

Right.

And this is one of those weird things
where it was like at the end of okay.

At the end of a terminals when you get
blades voice, but you don't see blade.

What I liked about that is we
know blade is coming right.

If Shirley's Thrones, character
was one that we knew was coming.

And all of a sudden we see
it and, oh my gosh, you got,

Shirley's thrown to play it.

That would've been cool.

But because I don't know who this
character is or expecting this person,

you know, down the line then I'm
like, so you just, you got Charlise

thrown in a bad cosplay outfit.

Okay.

Like, you know what I mean?

Now the one thing it did make me think
about, and we've had a conversation about

this, about how do we make this a whole
episode is just how much of the infinity

saga and the expectations that set has.

Impacted how I'd watch new things, right.

Where I have this expectation now
that each in tag is automatically

going to go into the next thing,
rather than setting something up that

won't pay off until down the line.

Like we got think phase one, you
know, or something it's like, it's

like, we, we get a lot of in tags.

I felt like of like, oh,
this is setting something up.

And I know it's setting something up and
cool, what's that going to connect to?

And I wonder what it is and
how do I recapture that?

Because by the time we get towards
the end, every single in tag is

leading into the next film Wakanda.

Oh, okay.

There's Bucky.

He gets his arm.

You know what I mean?

Um, and everything is, is,
is in this tight knit web.

And with th with the
current way index or go.

That's not really what
we're getting, you know?

And, and so in that sense, like, I have
no idea when blade's going to show up

when we're going to see kit Harrington.

Again, I know it's coming, we got the
tag and I have this anticipation for it.

And now I have this anticipation
for whatever Charlise, the Roan

is going to play, but I also know
thorn love and Thunder's coming.

And if this was prior to end
game or infinity war that in

tag, would've set me up for that.

And so I'm kind of expecting this
intact to set me up for floor door 11

thunder, or set me up for miss Marvel,
you know, and they're not doing that.

And that's, I think a
problem with my expectations.

And, and so that is one thing that I
would say is that this in tag has really

forced me to think about, I'm trying to

Trey: this.

Isn't quite, I'm going to throw
it out here and see what you think

that intact feels like an oral book.

We're watching the MCU kind of eat
its own tail where I agree with you

that it used to be this thing where
it would set up the next thing.

And by, by nature of how many
entries we're getting now per year,

I think logistically they just can't
anymore because there's no telling

when, where what's happening next.

And so it's, it's, it's kind of like
an oh crap moment of I'm hoping it's

just this movie doing it really poorly.

And that's what was so revealing.

But it could, it could be,
uh, our first warning sign.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, in, in the, in, I mean you
make blade the blade one successful,

cause all you need is a voice, but
the others, it was like, well, and

you, and you get back into that issue
of is Disney plus a separate thing.

Do you have to watch these enjoy the
movies because otherwise that in tag in

a quote unquote traditional sense should
have been something for Laura, uh, Thor,

Laura, Thornton, love and thunder, right?

I mean, that's also something that
Taika probably would have shot and

they would just threw on the end.

Right.

But ask skips over miss Marvel, you know?

So do you put Ms.

Marvel here?

I don't remember the Intacct,
a black widow put us into

Hawkeye in tag to one division.

Put us into this.

I don't see why you couldn't do
something here that puts us into Ms.

Marvel and they don't have to shoot it.

You know, no way home trailer, uh, in
tag was just the trailer for this movie.

Oh, yeah, that too.

I generally forgot.

I

Trey: said Marvel.

Um, I will say there's an
alternate universe where Ms.

Marvel was already out.

So that's another thing to consider
where these tags almost can't because the

COVID shuffle reshuffling of things just
naturally, it's just almost impossible.

Jude: Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, and, and that's fine.

Right.

But then at that point, it's like,
you know, so I guess we confirmed,

we're going to get a third, Dr.

Strange, like, eh, you know,
and that's, I haven't seen a

report saying that, so yeah.

I just, I have not.

And I have some issues with
the way they're handling a

multi-verse right now, anyways.

Um, and I, and I think, I think the,
I think this movie is bringing those

issues really front and center.

I

Trey: told you yesterday on the
conversation, a phone call conversation,

I'm done with the multi-verse for awhile.

Like I've enjoyed my time with it.

I'm multi-verse out.

And I'm glad we probably won't see
it again until Loki season two or

quantum mania, like I'm done with it.

Like it's, let's put it
on the shelf for now.

Jude: Yeah.

Give me more midnight.

Trey: Well, you know, normally we
get to this part of the outline, the

future of the MCU means the narrative.

It's very funny that we're talking
about the future of the MCU as a whole.

Well, is there any, uh, final
comments you want to make on

Jude: the way out?

I'm sorry.

Trey: Yeah, this is
going to be a for hope.

See, people's

Jude: hope you'll come back next week.

Trey: We have a really fun episode
scheduled for next week, tentatively

scheduled because things always change.

But if you're upset with this one, we
promise next week, it's going to be

Jude: really fun.

Yeah.

You know what, if you're
upset with this, that's fine.

Come into the discord and let us know.

Yeah.

Trey: You know what, if you want to let
us know, you can reach us at MC you need

to know both on Twitter and Instagram.

And like Jude said, there's a
discord link that you can find

in the show notes as well.

Jude: And we have our phone number.

You can call and leave me a voicemail
and telling me how right or wrong I.

And she does that voicemail
might end up on the pod

Trey: depending on how much profanity.

Jude: It's just going to be one long beep.

Trey: Now I almost want to
do that just for the fun of.

If you want to reach that phone number,
you can find us at (512) 893-1355.

Call us, leave us a voicemail
and it will be featured

Jude: in the show.

I think Nick's Sandy's next.

Should we be jumping around out of order?

Trey: There will rating and
review was the last thing

Jude: done.

We really were encouraged
that after this episode,

Trey: that's dang it.

We'd also like to thank you, Sandy,
for these of our theme song, which is

his rendition of the Avengers theme.

You can buy more of his work in
a SoundCloud, which is linked

in the show notes as well.

Well, that's going to do it.

Thank you so much for listening and
to thank you so much for doing this.

Jude: Thank you for the opportunity tray.

Trey: We'll see you all next week.

I really, I thought about
it as soon as I said it.

I really would've said to thank
you so much for booing this.

Oh, that was interesting.

Just,

Jude: it was so bad.

Trey: I had a feeling, it was
going to be like this because I

came out with like, it was fun.

It was fine.

I was disappointed that it didn't
meet the first level, the first movie,

but the more I thought about it, the
more I was like, ah, dah, dah, dah.

And then I started texting with you
and I think podcast brain took over

and I was like, oh no, this, this
is going to be a beat down episode.

It's

Jude: just so bad.

It's not that I don't like rain.

And he's a good filmmaker
and I've enjoyed his films.

Like I even have his IMDV up, right?

Like, uh, well the three Spider-Man right.

The gift.

I, if it's what I thinking it is, you
know, I mean, it's, wasn't the best

of movies, but whatever entertaining,
a simple plan, if I remember right.

Was, you know, entertaining.

Good.

Well, he did for the love of the game.

That can't be right.

Yeah.

He did for the love of yang.

I mean, like, he clearly knows how to not
do he, he clearly knows how to not be him.

Right.

And the quick and the dead.

Okay, good.

Uh, army of darkness, super
huge cult following dark

man, really enjoyed document.

Like there's good stuff in there,
but it's like, we didn't need the

evil dead Ramy and the MCU like
this was, that was just a bad idea.

And Scott Derrickson.

Oh my gosh.

What was his vision of.

That would have been amazing to see,
like give me the Derrickson cut.

Right?

Like

Trey: it's just

Jude: embarrassing, you know?

Cause it's like, Hey, these
movies, they are cinema.

And like trying to defend like the
John rhe and these movies and the

work people do against like, you
know, these uptight directors that

basically do the exact same thing.

But for some reason they get to be
called, you know, do like June, oh

my gosh, tune so bad that there's
no way in hell that should have

been nominated for best picture.

Um, and Scorsese, like I
love Scorsese, but like.

Man, these are just dude.

All you ever do is mob movies.

Come on.

Like that's what you do.

Mob movies in religious movies.

And I'm just like, you
gotta be kidding me.

I mean, when you get like the director
of all people, then like the day

after tomorrow and independence
day, and they're like bashing on the

Marvel movies and like, dude, you
don't even have a leg to stand on.

And then, you know what we do?

We're like, Hey, you know what?

Let's give them more ammo.

That's actually legitimate this time.

Trey: Oh man, that's funny.

Oh my

Jude: gosh.

Time's up,

Trey: dude has his arms outstretched and.

Jude: Like Michael Waldron has
written one Rick and Morty episode.

He had Kate Heron overcome his ineptitude.

Wow.

I haven't watched heals yet, but
apparently that's supposed to be good.

Then we have Dr.

Strange and the multiverse madness
and, huh, what's this announced

writer for untitled star wars.

Kevin foggy project.

I'll start another timer.

They have to be related.

There's no way.

There's no way.

There's no way this guy deserves to touch.