Trey: Hello and welcome back to another
episode of MCU Need to Know a podcast

dedicated to the Marvel cinematic
universe and everything you need to know.

I'm Trey!

Jude: I'm Jude!

How are you doing Trey?

Trey: Well, Jude, I'm excited
because today we are joined with

a duo who knows how to rewind and
relive all the best MCU moments,

both on the big and little screen.

Their podcast schedule extends all the
way out to 2026, but we're so delighted.

They found time to join us today.

Welcome to the show, Al and Tony.

Tony: Hey guys.

Thanks for having

Al: us.

Hey, glad to be here again.

Jude: Yeah, I'm excited.

Trey: How's it going?

Tony: Uh, great.

Now that we've seen the movie we're
talking about today, so I don't

have to avoid Twitter anymore.

Trey: Wait, was it you, if I
remember correctly that you were

like custom making Twitter blockers,

I admire it

Tony: for the record.

It didn't work, but I'll get to that.

Jude: Yeah.

I stopped looking at Twitter and YouTube
probably about Wednesday, like I had

to get on, but I knew how to navigate
it to, to also avoid, you know, so,

so, so that's, that's what I did.

Um, other a coworker told me.

Hm, was it Thursday morning or
Saturday or Wednesday morning?

He was like, yeah, stay off of YouTube.

Apparently the whole thing

Tony: leaked.

That's that's what spoiled me.

I'll talk about when we get to the
spoilers, but just the title of something.

Come on, man, you do is like, I love
watching just random clips of stuff.

So it was like, that was
supposed to be my friend.

You don't do that to me.

You?

Trey: Yeah.

What about you Al?

Al: Um, oh, I usually stay off of YouTube.

Uh, I don't know why it's just
something I've never like, got into

just watching random clips on things.

Uh, but Twitter, I, for months I had
just been like seeing the little trending

tag on, on the right hand side of the
screen and it's like, Hey, here's a,

some hashtag about something, uh, like
one of these Spider-Man characters.

And I just say, Nope,
don't show me anything.

I am not interested in Spider-Man
I'm not interested in hashtag

Spider-Man far from both.

Trey: And so we have to
lie to the algorithm.

Al: Oh, I mean, I've been
doing that for for years.

I mean, I started doing that back.

Avengers, infinity war came
out on my Google newsfeed.

I had to tell Google, like, no, I'm
not interested in the Avengers at all.

And you know, that hurts the
first time that I don't like.

Tony: No.

The thing is YouTube.

I have a very carefully curated algorithm.

Like YouTube is the
only one I want to know.

Cause I want.

My videos.

Like my wife started watching,
um, murder, makeup videos, right?

Women talk about murder while
they're doing the makeup.

And I had her make her own account
because she was messing with my algorithm.

Jude: Oh, that's fantastic.

No, I, I get the pain cause so on mine,
I look at subscriptions and I'm scrolling

through and it's like, I get two or three
new subscriptions a day from my kids.

And I'm just like, I don't watch this.

Why is this?

And it messes up the algorithm.

Trey: Well, clearly we're all very excited
to talk Spiderman, no way home today.

Uh, but before we get there, I wanted
to make sure it takes some time to

spotlight your show, MCU rewind.

Uh, now if I'm not mistaken, you have
recently wrapped up the coverage of

Thor, Ragnarok, um, as well as done
predictions that we were happy to join on.

Uh, what's it been like working with
Ragnar rock and getting ready for spring.

It's

Tony: great.

Regular Rocky knows one of my favorites.

We've had kind of a bullet quality
and tonal whiplash because, uh,

for those who don't know, we
don't only come for the movies.

We cover every show ever
intended to be part of the MCU.

So we just finished in humans, which
is spoiler alert for our podcasts.

The worst thing Marvel has ever done.

Al: Yeah.

I don't remember which episode it was,
but, but we get to the end of one.

And I think we both just said, this
is probably the worst episode of any

of the TV shows that has ever been.

Yeah.

Not,

Tony: not Marvel TV shows any TV show.

Trey: My, well, my favorite thing
about that is just following you too.

On social media, y'all were apologizing
for having covered our downloads.

Al: Surprisingly did not change.

So some people.

And I felt bad for them.

Tony: People are say to
us, they wanted to hear us

Jude: entertainment.

Tony: So like I was saying, uh,
in humans to Thor, Ragnarok, which

is an upbeat, happy, amazing film.

And now we're just starting to coverage
of the Punisher, which great quality,

not the same tone, so no kind of whip

Jude: lashing back and forth.

Yeah.

So I, I can't wait to go through those.

I started rewatching Punisher a couple
of days ago and I'm probably on episode

six or seven somewhere right in there.

I'm going to finish that up and then
just dive through all your Punisher ones.

Cause I'd love that series.

So yeah.

Um,

Tony: I believe Al
correct me if I'm wrong.

I think episode four should
be dropping next week.

So we do one

Jude: episode a week.

Awesome.

Trey, you got to catch up.

Trey: I know, so there's a variety
of reasons I need to catch up,

but would punish her be okay for
me to just jump in cold so I can

listen along with y'all's coverage.

Tony: Yeah.

I set up in Daredevil season two,
where they introduced the character.

So there is, um,

Trey: which I have seen that.

Tony: Okay.

So yeah, jump, jump right in.

You should be

Trey: well, that's fantastic.

You know, I've been meaning to do
this more frequently when we have

other podcast guests, but if I'm a new
listener and I have come to your show

for the first time, uh, what do y'all
think would be a great place to start?

Is there any particular
coverage that YouTube.

Tony: Well, it depends on your personality
again, if you're a sadist in humans.

Um, honestly, uh, my pride, the thing
I've where I think I'm proudest of

is our agents of shield coverage,
just because I know it doesn't,

it has a passionate following, but
it doesn't have a huge following.

And I just, I think of all the shows that
we've covered so far, that's my favorite

one because of how much work that team
put into the connections through the

Marvel cinematic universe with that?

Unfortunately, I don't
think we're super recently.

But they are, they weren't
yet, but they're coming.

We know it,

Jude: but you had the drops
already in one division, so

Tony: yes.

Trey: Well, cool.

So yeah, if you're not familiar,
you should definitely be following

them on Twitter at MCU underscore
rewind as well as downloading their

podcasts, wherever you get podcasts,
uh, on your platform of choice and the

very handy way to get all of this is
going to their website MC rewind.com.

Tony: Yeah.

And where you can also find
our complete schedule as.

You said earlier up to like
20, 26, because dang it.

We're covering

Al: it

Jude: all.

Trey: Oh, man.

I love the spirit.

Well, if you're listening and have
downloaded this episode, then you know

that we are going to be discussing,
Spider-Man no way home, uh, in

particular, our quick reaction.

So the way we're going to handle
this is we're going to have some

pre spoiler thoughts, which is a
chance for us to talk about the

movie without getting into spoilers.

So if you haven't seen it yet, but one,
a taste of what the movie is like and

what we thought this section is for you.

Uh, once we're done, we'll jump into
the spoiler zone where it'll be fair

game for all spoilers in the MCU.

But before we get there, Al what
are your pre spoiler thoughts for?

Spider-Man no way home.

Al: I really, really loved.

Um, I really enjoyed the movie.

I mean, it was, you know, some of
the things that you get with like a

third movie or the end of a trilogy
end of a series kind of thing, are,

are some of those things like, okay,
let's, let's bring it back home.

Let's kind of wrap up any loose ends
of storylines, things like that.

And you know, that's, that's a lot
of that stuff is what we got and, um,

it's, it's nice seeing that stuff again.

It's nice seeing like, Hey, here's,
you know, something that we we've,

uh, kind of built up for this
character and, um, at the same time,

just, you know, at, at the end, he.

Still go goes on, right?

Like it's it's Hey, we're wrapping up
this portion of this character's life.

And uh, Hey, now you can also, at
some point, see what will happen next?

That will be, uh, a different
storyline, uh, for, for this

character and stuff like that.

And so it's, um, it was great
to, to see that again, you know,

and I love seeing that in, in
different superheroes stories too.

Right.

You know, the, uh, Ironman itself, right.

When, when we got to the, the number three
of that, that was its own wrapping up,

although that was the last of those, uh,
apparently we were getting more, uh, of

the Spider-Man movies, so that's great.

Uh, but yeah.

Trey: What about you, Tony?

Tony: I got ask you this question
a lot today because I have a lot

of coworkers who are into comic
book movies, but, uh, no one who's

irresponsible enough to go see a movie
on Thursday night and then still go

to work at 7:00 AM on Friday morning.

So

Trey: you say you're responsible.

I say, cool.

Tony: Thanks man.

Awesome.

I'll forward this episode to my boss.

I knew, um, I was the biggest compliment
I can give this movie is I was

spoiled on every single big reveal.

I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

I was still surprised by the
character beats and be touching

moments from every major cast member.

And this has a huge cast.

Uh, this has everything.

I think I've ever wanted in a
Spider-Man movie, all in one thing.

And I'm like, I'm, Spiderman's not,
I love Spider-Man, but he's not even

in my top five superheroes, but just
like the history of Spider-Man is a

character in both comics and cinema.

I think this brings everything
that I could have wanted an

MCU Spider-Man, uh, together.

So, um, you know, I'm
pretty positive on it.

Trey: Yeah.

That's a high, high praise, man.

I love it.

What about you, dude?

Jude: I thought it was really well done.

And what I mean is like, I chew
had a lot of the big reveal

moments that I already knew about.

And I know in the back of my head, I
thought, man, what must it have been

like for the person who stayed away from
all trailers and managed to do that?

Um, but even at the same time, I didn't.

Not enjoy it, like knowing, like
it's still, I still had those

physical reactions in the theater
of like kinda sitting up in my seat

and carrying out, you know, kind
of stuffs even knowing or expecting

and knowing some of these moments.

Um, so, so it was really well
done in that, like even knowing I

didn't have any of that taken away

Trey: from.

Yeah.

You know, I I'm so glad to finally
hear this, because again, we've

talked about it on the podcast.

Whenever we review stuff, we try
and keep our contact minimal.

Since we know we're going to be
talking about on the recording, but

in the group thread that we have
with Tara from there was an idea.

You put a GIF of an angry Holt,
and I had no idea how to read that.

And I didn't want to.

Probably any further.

So I'm so glad to hear that.

It seems like it was an
excited hope Madden, Nevil.

Jude: Okay.

But also a little context on this,
it followed a link that you sent that

was, I hadn't clicked on the link yet.

It was some Reddit link that says
what movie question mark followed.

So I sent a text and watching
credits and you sent it links.

And what movie question mark.

So I just started to send to Holt GIF.

Oh, so that's oh man,

Trey: I didn't really, it was just a dumb
video and I didn't even read the link.

Well, it's non spoilery.

So I'll put a link to the video in the
show notes and you can hear how much

of a miscommunication this was on.

I went this whole day
thinking you hated it.

Oh, boom.

Well, you know, for my preschooler
thoughts for a movie, that's about

Peter trying to live two lives.

It's very fitting that this
is also a tale of two movies.

Uh, there's a part of the
movie that's pure fan service.

And sometimes for me, I think
that dipped into some pretty goofy

execution, but it also reaches highs
that is on par of the fan service.

We saw an end game and, you know,
leading into this year, that was

one of the feelings I had, that
this was an end game level event.

And so there's that part of the movie.

As well, Al I kept thinking about
what you had said on the prediction

episode about how often that
third movie is the conclusion.

So to hear you bring it up here again,
I wholeheartedly agree because it feels

like the other part of this movie is the
part that's the most impressive to me,

where it feels like a nice completion of
the trilogy that has started in the MCU.

That was so much more Peter Parker
focused than I anticipated and applaud

the movie for being, um, it is a well.

Balance between these
two halves of a movie.

And that's where I'll leave it
before we jump into this worthy zone.

Jude: Yeah.

Let's get there.

Trey: Yeah.

I don't think we can contain
our excitement any longer.

So like we said, you're going to hear an
audio cue and on the other side, it'd be

fair game for all spoilers in the MCU.

So we'll see you on the other side

and we're back the way we're going
to break this down is every time

we do one of these quick reactions,
we have a simple question.

Did it meet your expectations?

So Tony starting with you, did
this meet your expectations?

Um,

Tony: if you couldn't tell for
my non-school review exceeds my

expectations mostly because I've been
trying to manage my expectations.

You said a moment ago that
was like end game level.

And that's how they've been hyping.

It.

No, it like end game was such an
event that I was like, I couldn't

imagine, um, feeling the same way.

And granted, I didn't feel the same way.

I'm never gonna, I, I will be shocked
if I ever feel the same way as I did

when cap gods are the hammer, but.

I also did not think I could be
that excited seeing Andrew Garfield

show up on my screen again.

So, um, yes, this, this
definitely met my expectations.

Trey: Oh man.

Was there anything in particular
that stood out to you the most?

How.

Tony: Deep.

We got into the five villains.

I mean, granted, I think lizard was
still left out of the wayside a little

bit, but, um, they really respected
the history of the characters and they,

I was afraid that they were going to
change the characters to fit the story.

But now like doc doc arc is the
doc Hawk from Spider-Man too.

He's not just, Hey, a variant who
looks like doc or an, um, I was mostly

impressed by, um, because doc was
the one we saw in the trailer first.

So I was thinking he was going to
be the main antagonist, but it was

really Norman Osborn as the, I mean,
they were on tankless, but he was the

major antagonist and I was impressed
how deep they went into his character.

Um, this is a.

MCU if vacation of Sam Rami's like
simpler 2002 Spider-Man character.

And I thought they did that amazingly

Jude: well.

Oh yeah.

That's really well put because they
clearly just stylistically just, they

were clearly them, but the slight MCU
twist, they were able to put on these

characters with the costumes, the
writing, it was just, it was amazing.

The depth, like you said, the depth that
we got behind each one of these, which

to be honest, I, I feel like we got more.

Out of them, then we did
the other two Spider-Man.

Um, and I'm okay with that.

Like they, they kind of relied on your
knowledge of Spider-Man and seeing

the movies for those two characters.

Um, and, and, and that's okay.

I think it worked.

Yeah.

I mean,

Al: they're probably also not
going to give them such a big scene

or big part of the film to take
away from, you know, Tom Holland.

Sorry.

Kind of wonder if maybe that
jumped in as part of it, but

Trey: I mean, you got to pay
respect to Peter one for sure.

Jude: Wait, which one's Peter one,

Tony: we all know who Peter one is.

And come on guys.

We all should

Jude: have known who Peter, I

Trey: love his reaction to.

Oh man.

No, I I'm so glad you highlighted
that, Tony, because that does feel like

a very important part of this film.

Uh, I recently had the opportunity
to join Tara's podcast where we were

doing, uh, Spider-Man superlatives.

And whenever she asked what was on
my mind about this movie going into

it, the thing I said is I was curious
what was going to be the thread that

they pulled through all these villains
to connected emotionally to Peter.

Because outside of their respective
universe as Tom Holland's, Peter Parker

has no affiliation with these villains.

And that's kind of the core of what
makes a good superhero movie is that

relationship making, taking the time
to explore who these characters were

in their universe, how they molded
into this one and what it means for

our Tom Holland, Peter Parker to save
him, I think was incredibly brilliant

on this films, um, to do list.

Tony: Yeah.

Yeah.

And the fact that there are, they
are all sympathetic villains.

And at this point they hadn't done
anything to Peter and the fact

that he and that may sympathize
with them makes a lot of sense.

They're not just fighting them
because the script tells them

to fight with them, which I am.

Jude: Go ahead.

I was just going to say it
also shows overall the whole.

Idea just shows the difference, um, of
where we're at now in terms of, well, if

you think about the Maguire, you know,
the, the time the McGuire movie was made,

that we were still at a point where heroes
one villains ended up dying, um, and our

villains have become more complicated
and they don't always perish at the end.

Um, that doesn't mean they don't
suffer some kind of consequence,

but they're not dead, you know, and,
and they're not the villains, not

necessarily trying to kill them.

And so that was neat to see that brought
into, uh, what we've seen before and

the, the Peter two and one, two, and one,
two, and three kind of buying into that.

And we're like, you're right.

That's what we do.

Trey: It's a far more nuanced relationship
that I think we've gotten before pre MCU.

I think Tony has pointed out
the flaw of my first question

here in the spoiler zone.

So I'm going to change it up a little bit.

Al how did this movie
meet your expectations?

Al: Um, you don't want it to be honest,
and actually, um, it kind of exceeded

my expectations, um, because you
know, part of what Tony had said of,

you know, so many leaks of what was
happening in this movie and then, you

know, you kinda have to fight yourself.

All right.

Well, do, do I want to just
say, I want to believe this or

do I want to just hold back?

Uh, and then, you know, you start
seeing some trailers and in your mind

you're like making up, okay, this
is, I think what's going to happen.

I wonder if they're going to
spend so much time on this, or if

they're just going to jump into it.

And, um, the reason I say it
exceeded my expectations is like,

I just kinda shut myself as a note.

Just assume it's going to be bad now.

Tony: Not in that way, but like

Jude: MJ.

Yes.

Very much like MJ.

Yeah.

Owls are

Trey: the two letter club,

Al: but no.

So like for example, um, you know,
I thought that that whole beginning

with, you know, everyone knowing that
Peter Parker is Spider-Man and, uh,

he was arrested and I assumed that
was going to take up a lot more time

in the movie than it actually did.

And I was actually really glad that
that was kind of a thing that they

really just kind of jumped over.

Like, ah, you know what,
nevermind we don't, we don't

really care about this storyline.

Um, we, we got what we needed out of
it let's move on to the fun stuff.

Uh, and then it just moves on from there.

And then we get, uh, you know, all of
the other characters get, I think more.

Um, more, uh, emotional time in this
film, uh, you know, MJ, Ned, even Dr.

Strange, he didn't really get that
kind of stuff, but we get, we get a

good actual playing of, of how he would
actually do things, how much he cared.

And then he's like, okay, no, I'm, I'm,
I'm tired of dealing with teenagers now.

I'm just angry.

Go, go fix my mess.

Uh, and so like, because of
all that, like, it was great.

Just seeing all those characters,
just do what they would

normally do in that scenario.

And, and no matter how much how,
how, how much of that film was

already spoiled, it was still great.

Just seeing all of that.

Uh, and so, yeah, so I, I love that.

Um, my absolute favorite, um, Thing
that I did have spoiled, unfortunately,

was seeing, uh, Matt Murdock show up.

And that was great, even though it was
just the one scene, because a lot of, uh,

people have been saying that the TV shows
though, Canada's the MCU and I've been

holding out saying they count hoping that
this means that they're not variants, that

they're actually in the same universe.

Tony: And Al knows, like, I
want to want it to believe

it, but my faith was wavering.

But, um, yeah, the fact that Matt
Murdock in here and the fact that

Matt Myrick was here, For one scene
and they never showed him again or

no deer devil never threw it up.

And I'm not mad about that is also
a Testament to this movie, which is

so many other good things happening.

Al: Oh yeah.

Yeah.

And it's so hard to like, you know,
you, you want to get yourself hyped

up with seeing spoilers and then you
start thinking, oh, well, if that's

what leaked out, imagine what the, the,
the really good stuff could have been.

And, but you, you don't want to
start like fanning the flames.

Right?

You don't want to say things like,
well, maybe Tom Hanks shows up as

uncle band or something like that.

That would just stupid.

No one wants who would say such a thing.

Exactly.

Jude: I I'm going to just get in,
jump in there and say, Um, this

movie did not meet my expectations
because Tom Hanks wasn't there.

I just, I kept, I kept waiting
and waiting and we over-hyped it.

We didn't get Tom.

We got, we got Tom, we got the wrong, Tom.

Trey: I will say this movie is
so magical for a brief second.

I almost believe Tom Hanks
could have shown up and I

would have been okay with it.

Tony: You know what?

We did not get Tom Hanks as uncle Ben,
but we got aunt may, his uncle Ben.

And I thought that was actually better.

Cause we got, we really knew her.

Trey: Yes.

If you don't mind me cutting in line
here, Jude, I can play off of that

because I already mentioned that I
thought one of the smartest things

this film did was the time it took
to connect Peter to those villains.

I think the other smart thing they
did was making aunt may the emotional

core of this film, uh, having her be
the one impart that wisdom to Peter

of it's, it's not just the other
universe has problems to fix this.

What makes you a good person
is that you should care too.

Like I thought that was so moving
and the way it all builds up to the

unfortunate moment where aunt may is gone,
that it just it's, it's the MCU news.

And I don't want to trivialize it
and just say like, oh, you know, a

one-to-one here's this version of it,
but it is that emotional loss for our Tom

Holland's Peter Parker that I don't think
we've seen outside of maybe Tony star.

This one feels a little bit closer
because it is aunt may and how much

it was tied to his development.

Um, so I think that's one of the things
that helped reach the expectation for me.

Yeah.

I

Tony: think the thing about Tony Stark's
death and its impact on Spiderman, it's

also impactful on the entire world.

So, um, yes, it's particularly
tragic for Peter because he had

that mentorship under Tony, but the
whole world is feeling the grief.

So it's not unique to Spider-Man as a kid.

Where, uh, B uh, Ben or may, this
is his unique, um, motivation.

Trey: Yeah.

That's an excellent way to put that.

Yeah.

Well, dude, I, I, outside of your
expectation of Tom Hanks, uh, how else

did this movie meet your expectations?

Jude: It was one of those things
where, cause I heard that right though.

Like we all said it, you know,
in game level and game level.

I, I agree.

I don't think it gave me the
same feelings as in game.

I think it has the same
impact as in game, you know?

And, and with that, like I think that was
something where it met my expectations

because it was this something.

Um, and lasting impact, but it
was still a Spider-Man movie, you

know, like I it's, I don't know.

It felt it was in a sound weird.

It felt really grounded, you know?

And well, I mean, like it, it was still
like about Tom Holland, you know, and

I, and I think part of that was, you
know, w what I mentioned before about

what we didn't get, they, they let
us just use prior knowledge of, um,

seeing the previous movies, or even
as a seeing into the spider verse and,

and, and relying on, you've seen this.

So you have an idea of how this works,
and these are the same people that

are going to have similar stories
and, and it was able to stay grounded

in, um, And his story rather than
having to overexplain a lot of things.

Um, and that was one thing I was
kind of worried about, but they

did really, really good with it.

Tony: Yeah.

That's one thing the MCU does better
than most other movie studios Marvel

studios does is they trust their
audience that they're gonna understand

this, um, traditional you play into
the lowest, uh, where the lowest common

denominator I think is the term is, um,
try and make it as simple as possible.

And don't do anything too over
complicated, but now we are, I've lost

track 26, 27 movies in and 17 TV shows.

Um, I saw an article today.

Uh, the audience can't probably could have
understood these concepts a long time ago,

but now the studio trusts us to do so to.

Trey: The amount of Goodwill they
have bought up to this point, allows

them to do things like have a wizard,
breaking the multi-verse and, and,

and being a part of this movie.

And you don't have to do
that much setup for it.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, you know, and
it's, it's interesting.

Um, I don't know when this episode is
going to come out and fully, um, but that

was something Trey and I talked about
with the most recent Hawkeye episode

was just five episode five, where when
the writers or creators have earned

the audience's trust, it's, it's weird.

It's much easier, I think, to, for,
for them to meet my expectations.

Um, cause I have that trust in
them that they're gonna handle

these beloved characters.

Well, and tell a good story.

Because I do at time in and time out,

Trey: you know, if I can add in another
way this film has met, my expectations is

I think it was kind of a worst kept secret
that hollow, not Holland, uh, Maguire

and Garfield would be into this movie.

Uh, I think everybody was kind of
leaning that, that there was, this was

the direction it was going to go in.

And Jude, I remember when we discussed
it all the way back in January of 2021,

we were convinced that if they did
show up, it would be a small cameo.

Part the fact that this movie found
a way to include substantial scenes

with them without taking away from
Holland Spider-Man I think is part of

the reaching the fan service highs that
the MCU excels at, because the fact

that it almost became, and I mean, this
sincerely, I'm not trying to make a joke.

The fact that it became almost group
therapy for the Spider-Man to, you know,

speak about what they've been through
and share experiences and how to cope.

I mean, it was, it was
so wonderfully done.

Tony: Oh yeah.

I, uh, one of the ways this also
met my expectations was that it

ended fixing the one complaint.

Most fans who have complaints about
the Spider-Man movies, it fixed that

problem of, uh, him being Tony stark Jr.

It sets them up as the Spider-Man.

And we know from the comics and from,
uh, Toby McGuire Spiderman as somebody

who does not have that support system,
someone who doesn't have money, he

doesn't have those resources anymore.

So we get the best of both worlds that
we get them in this Avengers universe.

And now in this upcoming trilogy, I
assume he's going to be part of that

street level, um, less resource,
um, oriented, uh, character.

And I'm just so excited for that.

Like I Al I didn't text a lot last night
cause we wanted to be on this show.

Yeah.

But one of the things I told him was
I am more excited now than I was since

like civil war, just by an entering
the universe for more Spider-Man

Jude: stories.

Yeah.

Because it's really fascinating to me.

And you said it has just as big of
an impact or bigger than end game.

No one remembers him.

And what I'm curious about is stepping
outside of the MCU world, I guess, is this

a way to step away from Sony, from Marvel
smart or Sony, trying to step away from.

So that

Al: was actually my thought too.

And, and I was, uh, that was one
of the things that Tony and I were

texting about, uh, last night I left
this movie thinking that this is, uh,

this is the end of Spider-Man in the

Trey: MCU.

Al: Yeah.

Because I, you know, I, I had heard the
line about, uh, you know, Amy Pascal, uh,

at Sony saying that, yeah, we're going to
make three more movies with Tom Holland.

Um, but that, I mean, that's,
that's all she said, right?

Like she didn't say, yeah, these will,
maybe these are going to be our thing.

And we're just not going to have
absolutely anything to do with, uh,

any other characters that are already
in the MC or something to that effect.

Right?

Like if, if he stays small, then he
doesn't have to join some big team.

And then that's a very easy way to,
to keep them technically in the same

universe, but a very different story.

Uh, and, and I didn't know that also
Kevin FIHI, he had come out and I was

actually reading an article, um, like
an hour ago, um, on a, I forget where

it was, but it was an interview with,
with both Amy Pascal and Kevin VHI, uh,

talking about this and it, and it sounds
like they are actually talking together.

So I guess maybe, maybe there is something
that, that could happen in the future.

And it's early days, we have no idea,
but that's really what I came away with

thinking that, yeah, this is, this is
just a separation, especially because,

uh, you know, when we get to those end
scenes, that the second one is just a

trailer for the next, um, the next Dr.

Strange movie, which we haven't gotten
since, um, what was the captain America to

Tony: vendors?

Al: This is only the second time
that that kind of thing has happened.

So we're, we're so used to getting.

Something else that's kind
of world-building right.

Some other link to something
else, not just some trailer.

Yeah.

Tony: But on the other hand, um,
Spider-Man keeping his identity

away from other heroes is a
big part of him in the comics.

Um, so I'm like, I'm excited to see those
types of stories of like Matt Murdoch

and Peter Parker working together as
their Dublin Spider-Man, but also trying

to make sure the other person doesn't
know their identity, I think would be

like an interesting dynamic for his.

For Peter's

Trey: future.

Yeah.

It's very interesting to me listening
to this were almost like a half

full half empty glass that we're
looking at, because I think I'm

citing more on your side, Tony.

I didn't read it as like, oh, this
is a separation of the two studios.

It felt like he's here to see.

And, uh, Al I think I found the article
you were talking about it's from the

New York times and it was, I had the
title, but it's behind a paywall, but

the post has a quote in the title.

And it says, uh, Kevin flaggy and Amy
Pascal, and the future of Spider-Man

were actively beginning to develop where
the story heads next, which I only say

outright, because I don't want fans
to go through any separation trauma.

And that was today, uh, December 17th.

So there seems to be some
active work together.

I don't see a split.

I am with you, Tony, that, you
know, we've made jokes here on

this podcast where the MCU has been
terrible with secret identities.

This movie got to have
its cake and eat it too.

In this first run.

It didn't really make that big of a deal.

Identity-wise for Peter Parker.

But now it's almost like we're getting
a restart where it is a huge deal.

And now we get to see what
that's like for Tom Hollins,

Peter Parker in this universe.

And I think the only thing I feel is
an openness to jump between the Marvel

studios world and the Sony's world.

But I don't think he's going
anywhere at this point.

So at least that's what I took
from how this movie ended.

Tony: I agree, because I think they could
have ended it with, uh, Peter sacrificing

himself by going into another universe.

That's

Trey: where I thought it was

Tony: going.

And if they really wanted to do
that separation, there it is.

Jude: Hmm.

So, okay.

I'll be this person, there
was a couple of things.

Then I was kind of disappointed in, um,
and the, and honestly the biggest one that

stood out to me, I kind of giggled now.

And I'm just curious
what your thoughts are.

I didn't like the new costume at the end.

What?

Tony: I loved that costume.

I was

Jude: so happy.

I, my, I, I love the, the homecoming
civil war, homecoming costumes so

much like to me that I look at that
and that's the Spider-Man costume.

And I look at this one and I'm just like,

why did they ruin it?

So, yeah, so I get it.

I'm probably in the minority here.

I get it.

But like, so I'm just, I
can tell Trey likes it.

Trey: What I say next
depends on what Al says.

So I'm curious to hear what you say out.

Al: I, I mean, I know pressure, I don't
think it's, I didn't think it was bad,

but I mean, again, he made it like,
this is the second one that, that he's

made and it's been a couple of years.

Cause he, he had really cool Tony
stark made ones for awhile, right?

Like obviously it's going to be a
step down or like five steps down.

Jude: Well I'm okay.

That the orange spiders one's gone.

I'm just, okay.

Anyways.

Trey: Good.

I was going to suggest if Al was
going to be on Jude side and I was on

Tony side, if we could do a host swap

and speaking of separation of university.

Right.

But I'm sorry, I cut you off duty.

Where were you saying?

Tony: Um, the only thing I'm going to be
disappointed is if he's in the next movie

and the one thing I do love about the
stark suits is the eyes, the moving eyes.

And I don't see how they could, uh,
they could justify Peter's homemade suit

having moving eyes, but maybe you saw the
spider of Peter's two and three, and it's

like, you know, it's not that big a deal.

Trey: The only thing I can think of is
because, I mean, the suit's not completely

gone cause the, the mask was on the bed.

Maybe he retrofitted those
eyes to the new suit.

Um, And just for the record.

Cause I haven't clearly answered outside
of what I thoroughly enjoyed that suit.

Like it was so vibrant and, and
it felt like he felt like he was

coming straight from the comic
book and I really appreciated it.

It felt, it felt like it stood
out in a way that I think the MCU

stays away from because they do
mute their colors a little bit.

It was just, it was bold.

And I appreciated that about it.

Tony: Yeah, it does see if they
commit to that for an entire movie.

Um, yeah,

Trey: there's always a new series.

Tony: Um, I do appreciate that
in like three years of his life.

So not counting the blip in three
years of his life of avenging and being

a friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man
going, uh, finishing high school.

He also learned how to sew.

So that's, that's nice home

Trey: economics, man.

Tony: Yeah.

It's disappearing from schools.

So I'm glad they still have, I

Jude: really, really
enjoyed my home-ec classes.

I took multiple home-ec classes.

It was Rossum.

No.

Tony: Yeah, no.

When I started high school, they had
just gotten rid of it and I was the last

class to ever have the auto shop and then
they got her out of my high school, so.

Wow.

Trey: Yeah.

Did I date myself with those reference?

I wasn't expecting,

oh man.

Well, do we have any more, uh,
general spoiler things we want to say

before we move into favorite scenes?

No, let's

Jude: do favorite scenes because yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, Tony, unless, unless y'all
have something to jump in, sorry,

I'm just, I'm super excited.

I'm just super curious to see
if we all ended up with the same

thing or how diverse this is going

Trey: to be.

So, yeah, I guess real quick.

Did y'all have any, anything
else in the general score?

No,

Tony: we can move into favorite scenes.

Al: Yeah.

Yeah.

Same here.

I'm ready to talk about favorite scenes.

All

Trey: right.

Well, Tony, let's start
with you this time.

Uh, what were some of
your favorite scenes?

The

Tony: first thing that actually
like not the first thing that hit me

emotionally, but the thing that hit me
the most emotionally I was surprised

was, uh, Peter's three saving MJ and
kind of getting that redemption and just

the breaking of, uh, Andrew Garfield.

Um, and MGA's reaction would
be like, are you okay, dude?

I don't really know, but you're
crying over this, um, that, that I was

surprised how much that affected me.

Like I tear it up at that moment.

I'm not ashamed to say, and I'm
not a huge fan of those movies.

Jude: Well, you know
what I was going to say.

I teared up at that too.

And I said, I haven't seen amazing
Spider-Man too, but that moment going

all the way back to the comment.

You know where Gwen Stacy dies that
I think, I think knowing enough about

Spider-Man knowing that history, you're
going to get choked up right there.

Cause it's a redemption for the character
all the way back to the college.

Tony: Yeah.

Like a Spider-Man 1 21, but yeah.

Uh, another, my other favorite
scene is, uh, Tony defeating Dr.

Strange with math or I wasn't
talking about the best dark.

I was talking about
myself in third person,

Trey: Ironman.

Tony: I am Andy even do that.

Cause he had Jervis to
do all the calculations.

Trey: What about you Al you got some
favorite scenes from this whole.

Al: Uh, yeah, I mean, just the, I think
my, my one moment that I like think is

just the, the absolute coolest part of
the film was during that end fight scene.

And

Trey: we

Al: see, you know, after, after the
they've been fighting for a little

while, they're getting their butts
kicked, like, all right, we, we have

to work together, trust the tingle
and then jump off and swing together.

And, you know, they're, they're
all like saying it their own way.

Right.

We hear, um, Toby McGuire.

We hear him do his, his, uh,
famous woo and, and everything.

Uh, and like that, that alone right there
was just, it was just amazing, you know,

worth every minute leading up to it.

Granted every other minute
has been great, but I

Trey: love that they even had that part
where they bounced off each other midair,

like they connected their webs and course
corrected from that way, which was so.

Al: Yeah.

And, and that style of like that
Spider-Man fighting kind of stuff is

like not something that we've really
gotten in the other two movies, um,

which is one of my favorite things about
seeing Spider-Man and the way he fights

and all that kind of stuff, which, um,
which is one thing that I've actually

really been missing in the, in the MCU.

Um, and anytime we get that with, you
know, this Tom Holland, Spider-Man,

it's usually for like, he does one
thing and then he kind of stops granted.

It's it's usually, cause he's not like
fighting a big monster or something, you

know, like a lizard guy or something.

So he, he doesn't, um, you know, use his
tingle very often, but yeah, it was just

so cool seeing that, uh, again, uh, and
then, uh, Uh, well, you know, I I'm, uh,

I really thought it was, it was going
to be really cool, um, in the future

Trey: seeing sorcerer,

Al: Ned, and now I guess we're not getting
that because I, I really enjoyed that.

I thought that was great.

I mean, he just got the
ring, it started using it.

Like he must've been some kind of
natural and now that potential has gone.

Jude: Oh, is Hmm.

Okay.

Would, would they not remember strange
and strange don't remember them?

I think they

Tony: would.

I was actually gonna think of that
because like happy, still knew.

May he just didn't remember Peter maybe?

Um, I think like my
thought would be strange.

It might be like something
weird is going on.

Why do I know these teenagers?

But they still know each other.

Al: Th that's one of the
questions that I think we might

get some answers to over time.

Right?

Cause like, for example, you
know, at far from home, Tony stark

Trey: gave like legally

Al: gave what all of certain
industries are like part of it or

something he legally gave some.

It's ownership to this random
teenager that no one knows.

And later it turns out he Spiderman.

Um, like D does Peter still own that?

Or is no.

Is that, is that completely gone?

Is that like, like throughout all
time, everyone just forgot about

Peter Parker now, and then that
just messed with how things are.

I don't know.

We'll we'll, we'll, it's one of those
things I think we'll get answers to later.

I think it's going to be

Tony: like, Hey, that's clerical error.

Obviously there's no person that
Peter Parker, uh, like he has to,

he got, he has to get his GED.

Like his school records are gone.

They don't know who he is.

Oh,

Trey: that's a good call out.

Jude: Yeah, that's right.

He is off the grid

Trey: because I mean, even to highlight
that example of happy Hogan, just a

little bit more, not only did he know
aunt Mae, he knew Spiderman and knew

him may new Spiderman, because that
was, I was like, how did you know her?

Oh, through Spiderman, same here.

So it's going to be interesting
to see how they navigate.

That, because it's such a weird
delineation where you do start to

question, like, especially on strangest
part, like how do I know these people?

How am I connected to them?

Yeah.

So I wonder how much that will
continue out in the future of the MCU.

Jude: So my favorite scene was when the
movie started and then when it ended, um,

Trey: yeah, yeah,

Jude: yeah.

One long take, no, I, you know
what, I'm going to go with this one.

Cause there's, there's a number of
them I can pick out, but this one.

I laughed the hardest at this,
um, was, uh, Tobey Maguire back.

Yes.

In rolling.

And my kin who went with
me was rolling and rolling.

And it was what I was shocked
about was how few people were

laughing at that in the theater.

I was like, how can,
y'all not find this funny?

This was, oh my gosh.

It's so good.

Yes.

The only thing that was missing.

You know, like, cause, cause you know,
and I like to rewrite stuff would

have been doing that like somehow on
the street level, before they went

up to the, the tower and you had
Jake Gyllenhaal was passing by like

randomly in the street at the same time.

Like that would have been so wonderful.

Tony: Um, or you think it's a
total McGuire coming in and it's

Mysterio back as like pretending
to be a very in Peter Parker.

Trey: No that moment like stood out
to me even more so, because I pulled

a muscle in my back today day at work.

So like walking into the
theater, I had so much back pain.

And then to see that scene where
it's like me, uh, tell me why I

was like, oh yeah, I got back pain.

And Garfield's like, oh, I'm starting
to develop a middle back thing too.

It was oddly relatable, uh,
for, for such other more like

Tony: a super hero.

I know.

Trey: I'm so glad you
pointed that out to you.

Jude: So, and then just all the,
with that interaction with three

of them, I'm trying to do their
science-y things and build things.

You know, and it was like Peter
and they all foot, which one, you

know, Parker Spider-Man Parker.

Um, and then the other thing where
I got a really big kick out of was

when Ned asked Peter to, if he had
a best friend, who's like catch it.

And I, you know, um, and he died trying to
kill me or, you know, something like that.

Um, and I got a big kick out of that.

And, and my speculating mind when over
went off and I was like, oh, we're going

to see Ned like turn on him somehow
or another Ned show up and fight.

So

Tony: yeah, it was, I was thinking
about that, especially when, you

know, they were coming through and
I thought we'd get like hobgoblin

Netherly it's since something like that.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, my brother Daniel didn't even
know about Ned being hobgoblin.

Um, so, so I do wonder, you know,
there is a bit of comic book knowledge.

That people might've missed.

Trey: Yeah.

Yeah.

The only reason I picked up on that
is because of YouTube and explaining

that to me, uh, that comic book
knowledge side of it, and it's, it's

it's classic MCU way to handle it.

It could just be a fun Easter egg
nod, or it could be paving down to

something more, uh, down the road.

Jude: Well, especially
because Ned doesn't remember.

And he's gone to MIT to be
an engineer, and he's going

to go and build a glider and

Tony: trade.

Al: And especially if he remembers
that fight or something about

it, he's already seen a glider.

Trey: So, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, if I get a chance to put my
writer's hat on for a time being imagined,

if we're into the sequel of the new
trilogy, where we're building up to

this moment where Peter somehow finds a
way to get Ned to remember, but when he

remembers it doesn't cause a friendship,
it causes a rivalry because of something

that he may misremember or some kind
of thing he places responsibly on or

places that responsibility on Spider-Man.

So there's room there's room for
it to happen here in the MCU.

Yeah, well, for me, one of
my favorite scenes, it's kind

of similar to yours dude.

Um, but it's, it's more on the Holland
Parker side and that's when he was

working with the villains to cure them.

Um, it is, it is such a quintessential
Peter Parker thing to try and do

the right thing, even though they're
villains to try and help them before

sending them back to their universe.

So they don't end up killed.

And the fact that he's able to save a doc
doc and you can see that bond that they're

starting to build is just wonderful.

And the way it builds to that moment
where you see, uh, the goblin turn on him

and he picks it up with the, the spidey
senses that's sequenced start to finish.

It's just so well done.

Uh, and, and, and is one that will
stick with me for a long time.

Uh, Another one that will stick out
to me is you see Helen, Peter Parker

wrestle with his rage, uh, and how
much he wants to just straight up

kill, um, Osborn for killing out may.

And the fact that we see him
slip up and he's going to do it,

but it's Toby McGuire's Peter
who steps in and stops him.

That is just that scene
will be burned in my memory.

Tony: Yeah.

I always thought it's a good thing.

We didn't get the uncle
Ben scene with Tom Holland.

Cause I put in believe that rage coming
from him, but I was completely wrong

because I believed that rage coming
through him towards Norman Osborn.

Trey: I thought he was going to kill him.

Did you, did anybody think they were
actually going to kill Toby Maguire?

Jude: I was hoping, oh,

Trey: come on.

It's

Jude: three.

Right?

Well, it's one of those things that
you have that moment, you know, and

Holland, you know, Peter one is going
to learn something from this moment.

Right.

And it felt, this is one of the
other disappointing parts is.

Tobey Maguire didn't die in this.

Um, because you saw it coming like, like
him being stabbed, wasn't a surprise,

but it's like, you knew that was coming.

He got between them.

Tony: Don't turn your
back on the green goblin.

Jude: Right.

So we know it's coming.

See, I

Trey: can never be a Peter Parker
cause it was a surprise for me.

Jude: Um, and so, and so for
that reason, it was just, it

felt very rise of Skywalker.

Um, how dare you, you know, with,
with Chewbacca is like, we want to

have that emotional moment, but we're
not willing to pay the price for it.

Uh, so yeah, so that's, that's,
that's why I was disappointed in that.

Tony: Yeah.

I just guess I'm really gullible.

Cause like I thought, uh,
Peter two was going to die.

I thought two blocker was
dead for a good five minutes.

I was like, I want to buy into these.

Jude: Yeah.

But, but that's the thing like, like
if you're going to make that choice.

To, to, to get an emotional moment out of
the audience and out of our, out of our

characters, go ahead and make that choice.

Don't don't like pull the
rug out from under it.

Cause now you're trying to, you know,
eat your cake and have it too, right.

Where it's like, I'm going to pretend
to kill off a character to get that

emotional reaction and emotional moment.

But I'm also going to save
the character in the end.

Um, and it kind of undercuts
that emotional moment.

Tony: Yeah.

I don't know if it would've
come off as more cheap though.

If Toby Spiderman died because like bring
this care, it would have been perceived

as bringing this character back just to
kill him, to get the emotional reasons.

So, I don't think, I think either way
they went with that scene would have

disappointed a larger group of people.

Jude: Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you, you could have just
found a different way to stop

Tony: wet him from behind instead
of getting between them, which is

what I thought was going to happen.

Jude: Honestly, as he's bringing
it down, the web stops him or

something like that, you know?

Um,

Tony: his gross internal webs,

Jude: I am a fan of the organic web.

So

Tony: I know I'm just mentioning,
I love that they acknowledged it.

I was worried they weren't going to yeah.

Trey: Well, I think that's going
to ramp up our favorite scenes.

So we've got two pretty big in tags
to discuss before we wrap this up.

Uh, the very first one we have is we catch
up with Eddie Brock, who is in a bar at a

Mexican bar, and we see him trying to get
familiarized with this current universe.

And then is after the aftermath
of the movie, teleported away

back to his universe, but leaves
behind a tiny part of the symbiote.

Uh, so Jude, was there anything in
particular that stood out to you?

Jude: I was disappointed
in that intac in two ways.

The first way was I, well, first I
thought it was clever the way okay.

We here's how we get the Symbio
out and how it's going to

go to Holland or Peter one.

Uh, but at the same time, there
was like this expectation of like,

you're going to go to battle.

The Tom Hardy venom and it feels
like that's not going to happen.

I mean, I know it still can,
but he clearly like went to

one universe and came back.

Um, the, and so like that was
kind of like, oh, that's, that's

clever way to do it, but that's
kind of disappointing because say

what you want about those movies.

I like Tom Hardy's venom, right?

Like him.

Cause I think he's a good actor.

Uh, and I think as far as, you know,
pushing the fan service envelope

a little bit further, I think they
missed an opportunity to have Tofor

grey sitting at the bar next to them.

And I think they should have done that.

I think that would have been
really a neat, extra nod.

It's just, even if he's
just sitting there right.

And sipping on his drink, um,
That would have been fun for me.

Tony: I, uh, partially agree.

I think the tow for grace being
there would have massively

improved this scene, but as I've.

There's nothing more on brand for
this type of venom to show up in

different universe and just spend
the next 12 hours in a bar trying

to figure out this universe.

Trey: Yeah, I think, uh, I think
you hit the nail on the head on

Jude: that one and you think
lethal protectors dump.

Tony: Um, and then, uh, I'm
just gonna jump in there.

Uh, if anyone's a Ted lasso fan, Danny

Jude: Rojas, I

Tony: so happy.

Cause he's my favorite
character in all his life,

but it was also death.

So it was this

Trey: I'm so glad you brought
that up, Tony, because as soon

as I saw him on screen, I heard
that Danny Rojas, Danny Rojas.

Tony: I'm just curious how that symbio.is
going to get to New York and, and how,

um, when it does eventually get to him,
will he have Tom Howard, his voice?

Will he be carnage is, or,
um, Venom's personality.

Jude: Ooh.

Oh, I show hope so.

I really hope so.

Al: Yeah.

I think that venom works well in the MCU.

Yeah.

I, I mean, I'm, I'm sure it's very easy
to make its way to New York, right?

Like it's, uh, walking around, you know,
wherever it is, it sees some flyers for,

um, you know, some Broadway musicals.

It's like, Hey, that looks like fun.

Plays a, a plane ticket heads out, um,
over there and, um, just accidentally

trips and, um, takes over, uh, Tom Holland

Trey: complete.

I mean, you

Tony: gotta be careful where you
fall, so falling onto a Spiderman.

Shouldn't

Jude: well, Tom Holland might
decide to take a trip to Mexico.

No one knows him anymore.

Trey: Yeah.

Cut ties.

And just go sit on a
beach somewhere in Mexico.

Why not?

Yeah.

Al: And if he really wants to go ahead,
I was gonna say it, you know, as long

as if he really wants to separate his
ties from the rest of the MCU, leaving

New York is a really good way to be

Trey: heroes.

Yes.

That's a pretty big hotspot in the MCU.

Tony: And if you look at
his track record, he's been.

Six movies at this point.

And only one of him them
does he stay in New York.

So he doesn't really like it that,

Jude: oh man, you trying to get to Boston.

Tony: It's hard to

Trey: leave.

You know, I think for me, I, cause I,
Tony, we talked about this when, whenever

we did the predictions episode on y'all
show where I'm begrudgingly watching

this Sony verse, because it feels like,
well, okay, I have to, I enjoy it because

I enjoy Tom Hardy and I enjoy what
he's done with Eddie Brock and venom.

But I left that scene
thinking, what was the point?

Like why?

Like I know we got the, the, the
Symbio, but that was a lot of fuss to

get him there for a post credit scene.

Where are we going to happen now?

A post credit scene universe
where Eddie Brock and venom only

appear in post credit scene.

Cindy EMC here.

Jude: That would be.

Yeah.

Be a good bit.

This is like a negative

Tony: thing,

Jude: right?

I take

Trey: it back

Tony: across multiple movies.

I want to see Morbius randomly show up
in the post credit scene, the blade.

I want to see craving the hunter show up
in the Postgres, you to black Panther,

to just have no impact on the story.

They're just

Trey: around venom venom.

I don't know how many people remember
this, but whenever the movie Lilo

and stitch was coming out, part of
the promotional material was stitch

entering in different Disney universes.

Venom is the MCU stitch.

Tony: That makes complete sense to me.

Al: He's an alien.

He wants to eat everything.

I don't know anything else in the

Tony: ultimate universe.

He wasn't expecting.

Nope.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's all coming together.

Al: Yeah.

So my thing about him showing up, uh NFCU.

I don't know why, like I, um, so
my understanding from the smell was

that people were coming who, from
the other universities who knew

that Peter Parker was Spiderman.

He didn't know.

Right.

Tony: Al I knew this question
was going to come up from you.

And I already had an answer.

I'm so glad.

Okay.

All right.

In the venom post credit scene, he
said he's a hive mind with multiple

symbionts and multiple universes.

And he connected to the I of mine.

Right?

When it happened, he connected to Eddie.

Brock's a venom and that's
why he got transferred over.

Al: Okay.

I like it.

That works

Tony: cause otherwise, like, I
didn't understand when I saw venom

to why they were talking about the
hive, mine connecting to multiple

universes until we got the explanation

Jude: here.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

I mean, it really does.

That makes total sense

Trey: and it, it puts, and it, I know we
were joking about him becoming the stitch,

but it puts him in a very unique position.

If he has the hive mind across multi
verses that he could connect here.

Yeah.

It, it seems like we can't
see him pop up anywhere.

He, we need him to be,

Jude: since venom is
officially in the MCU.

Now, are we going to get the denim, like
build a bear or the venom, like plush

doll, the Disney store or something?

Tony: Yes.

If they can merchandise it, they will.

So yes.

Trey: Death taxes and merchandise

Jude: added.

Trey: Oh man.

Well, I think that's that
we'll do it for that in tag.

Uh, the second one, we got easy
straight up trailer for Dr.

Strange in the multi-verse of madness.

Al coming back to you, what did
you think about this teaser trailer

that we got for the upcoming.

Al: Um, I got very angry that the
movie was pushed back a few months

Trey: speaking the truth.

Al: Um, I mean, it looks, it looks good.

Um, they, they told us
what the storyline is.

I'm looking forward to it.

Um, I don't know if I like just
getting a trailer as an NC.

I don't, I don't know.

I honestly, um, and I,
I am curious that Dr.

Strange, that we see the evil one.

Is that the evil one from, from what
F or just a completely different one?

Oh, or something

Jude: we'll know later, I'm going
to say, I'm going to say yes.

It's what if

I

Trey: believe so, too?

Yeah.

I'm, I'm there with you guys too.

Al: Okay.

Well, I mean, if it is, then
I'm looking forward to it more

just because now I'm curious.

Trey: Well, and to kind of plant our
own seeds here on this podcast, we have

an episode we recorded yesterday that
comes out at the first of the year.

That's very good timing on our part.

And that's all I'll say.

So when you listen to this, keep an
eye out or keep an ear out for that.

And, uh, 20, 22.

But, uh, no, I, I agree with you Al except
I can, we have definitive proof of how

hypocritical I am because in our discord,
Jude shared a link that was putting a

theory out that one of the post credit
scenes would be the trailer for Dr.

Strange and the multi-verse of madness.

And I said, I would be really
annoyed if they did that.

I hope that's not the case.

And Jude said, maybe
you'll be cheering for it.

God, dang it.

He was right.

I was so excited in my seat and I was
like, oh, like, I was so excited to

see all the clips of what's coming.

And like you Al I am also mad
that it's not coming sooner.

Um, but in, but in theory, I do not like
it is a trailer, but as the hyperexcitable

person that I am, I was eating.

Jude: Yeah, well, cause okay.

So the essence of those in tags
in the way that we've gotten

used to it is world-building
and, and, and this wasn't that.

And so I think, I think that's why,
um, but finally getting to see this and

just to see how wild is going to go.

I'm super excited.

Tony: Yeah.

Um, I.

I'm super excited about the content
I love I'm from what it seems.

If we could trust anything in the
trailer, which we all know we can't.

But, um, the fact that Wanda
doesn't seem to be the main villain.

Like a lot of people were theorizing and
I love one the maximum off in the MCU.

It makes me so happy.

I don't want her to be the main villain.

Um, that said, I think putting a
trailer at the end of your movie,

even though the post-grad scene
really dates the movie, as soon as it

comes out as like, um, few examples.

I don't like the Avengers trailer
at the end of, uh, captain America.

I think it's the postgraduate scene
should be him waking up in New York.

Um, I've been rewatching the matrix movies
cause the matrix comes out, uh, next week.

So there's a trailer at the end
of the second matrix for the

third one back to the future.

Two ends with the trailer
for the third one.

And all I think is, wow,
this just really ruined.

The mood for the completion of a movie.

And I don't like it when they just
put a trailer for the next one.

I want them to have a post
credit scene that like, um, I

think Jude said a world builds.

I don't need just an
ad for the next movie.

And I

Trey: think because essentially
that is what the entails are, right?

I mean, it's advertising for the
next movie, but what makes it

special is that they dress it up
as something unique to that movie.

So another offender of this I
think is ant man, where we just

get a lifted scene from civil war.

So it's it's, even though that's
not a trailer outright, it feels

like it of contradicts the mood
that these in tags normally set,

Tony: although.

That end tag and ant, man, I think I
appreciate that one more just because

it's not packaged like a trailer.

Trey: Yeah.

It's a step above,

Tony: I didn't know, till
a year or six months.

I don't know the time difference
between those two movies, but a year

later that, oh, Hey, there's the exact.

Which was kind of disappointing looking
back, but it's not as aggressive.

Trey: Well, you know what it is for me.

And I know this is a weird way to
frame it because I rarely do marathons,

but the idea of like watching through
these movies and then doing it and

like, okay, here's the, here's the
chronological order of this timeline.

You want to have those
in credit scenes fit.

And if it's a trailer that just
completely steps outside the world.

And if it's a repeated scene that
also takes me out of the world,

which I know is a silly way to look
at it, but that's, that's why that

one is grouped together for me.

Tony: Um, that that's actually a very
true and I'm experiencing right now.

Um, I have this, like, I, this thing is
like, if I'm going to sit down and watch

a movie, it's like, I can't just watch.

Empire strikes back.

I need to watch all nine star wars
movies, or at least I have that mentality.

And like the MCU is
getting too large for that.

I can't sit down and watch 27
movies and a bunch of TV shows.

Trey: So that's why you end up
scheduled all the way out to 2026.

That's right.

That's right.

Tony: So I've been watching through all
the MCU, not counting, like as much as

there has to be say this MCU proper,
the 20 something movies and the Disney

plus shows, uh, just like I'm going
to watch them chronological order.

Cause I've never done that.

And after I'm done, I'm just
going to pick up whatever I

want when I want to watch it.

I'm not going to commit
to doing this again.

This is like the last hurrah and
I just finished a black widow

and black widows post credit
scene takes place after the snap.

It's like, well, that just
really throws everything off.

Trey: Yeah.

So what about you, dude?

How did you receive this trailer?

Multi-vessel madness.

Jude: Uh, I don't remember much of it.

Wow.

You know, like,

Tony: oh, you didn't say for
your post-grad and since I

it's rookie mistake, I get it.

Jude: Well, you know what?

You're not

Al: getting invited back.

Jude: Well, I did find it interesting.

Okay.

Two things, the people next to me left
and I'm, and I'm just thinking like it's

Marvel, you know, something's coming.

Um, also my thought was the lady
taken up, our tickets made sure

to stop every single one of us and
say, oh, you're going to Spiderman.

That's an amazing movie.

You're going to love it.

And there's two post credit scene
sort of stay all the way to the

end cause it's a fantastic movie.

Um, and so they should have known,
um, no, I just, I, and I say that

more because it's the trailer, right?

Like it is.

I remember.

I remember seeing it, if that makes
sense, but it doesn't stick with the

memory the way a world building in tag
would, as you know, like, like I wouldn't,

if you asked me, you know, oh, what
were the in tag or the two end tags?

I'll be like, yeah, there was, there
was too, you know, um, but I, one

of my just say was the trailer.

I wouldn't tell you, oh, this is
what happened and how it impacts.

And, and all of that, like, like
they could have just taken out the

part where strange goes to Wanda's
cabin and says, I need your help

have that as the intact and be done.

I think,

Trey: I think at one point that
might have been the Intacct, cause

it is it's the longest cut, I think.

Or the longest continuous cut.

Yeah.

Jude: And that's all we needed.

And like, I remember that, but like
everything else, there was just

so much after a movie that had so
much in it that it just, it just.

It didn't stick.

Al: Yeah.

Full, full scenes are memorable.

Right?

Like you have that, that
pause on something in the

background or whatever, right?

Like you have the, the pauses in between
people talking a trailer is, is flashes

of things for a fraction of a second.

And there's no way to get
emotional about a lot of that

stuff, depending on the trailer.

Yeah.

Tony: No, like scenes
are for post credits.

Trailers are for our YouTube
where people like us will

dissect him, uh, for hours on it.

And then we can really dive into it

Trey: only after we've lied to our elders.

Tony: Well, that definitely, well,
you guys, I have a very specially

curated algorithm that told me
that, um, that started popped

up with aunt May's death scene.

That was before.

So that's the last thing that
got spoiled for me right before

Jude: the movie.

Trey: Well, just to quickly weigh in.

I think one of the things that stood out
to me is, uh, I forgot who brought it up,

but you mentioned sorcerer Supreme, Dr.

Strange from the, what if universe?

Um, and then the other one, something
I was surprised, like I knew he was

coming back, but to see Mordo as playing
a very prominent role in seemingly in

the plot line makes me so happy because
as much as I enjoyed the original Dr.

Strange movie, it was quickly
becoming really packed.

And I didn't know if he would see
continuations from his movie, but

it seems like with Mordo being
the center of the antagonism, that

it will be a continuation of Dr.

Strange.

It was 20 17, 20 16.

Yeah.

Tony: 2016.

Yeah, 16.

Um, I just now believe after infinity
war and game, and now no way home,

uh, there's no limit to how much stuff
they can pack into a movie and make it.

Jude: Yeah.

Well, and I think that's part of,
again, my friend Sean said it was like,

he enjoyed it more the second time,
because of so much stuff thrown at you.

Um, and, and the way that they found.

Packet full of things and
make it work is just amazing.

Trey: Yeah.

Well, I think we are getting a pretty
quick glance at our reactions to

this movie, but, uh, I want to make
sure we take some time for stray

thoughts before we wrap this up.

So, Tony, uh, do you have any
stray thoughts or this film?

Um,

Tony: I can't wait to go see it again.

Uh, no, no.

I'm going to have to actually use
this thing because we're not going

to record our MCU rewind episode
with you guys for a couple of days.

So I actually have to think of new
thoughts to bring into the next episode.

So I'm going to keep my
stray thoughts for that one.

Trey: Is it good teas?

Jude: Sounds like you're,
you're going to need to rewatch.

Tony: I'll rewind it.

Al: And, uh, I, I don't do second takes,
so I'm just going to say everything now.

Repeat that.

And a few days, one

Trey: takeout

cut the 10, I just leave.

Al: No, you know, I really hope
that someday in the future we

maybe get some kind of glimpse
of what life was like for these

Trey: other characters

Al: that went back to their universe.

Right.

Like, you know, doc Hawk say, um, you
know, became good and, and all that stuff.

Right.

All of these characters
were essentially cured.

Right.

Um, but then they go back and die or
not like what, what, what happened?

What was their universe just very changed.

So I'm curious.

Um, I would love to know what,
what happens there with that.

It's a new time.

Tony: Once

Jude: it's watch a multiverse.

Al: That's true.

So separate timeline.

So the, the, the original ones
going for their, their original

one's going, but now they haven't
modified one multiple modified ones,

I guess, is, are multiple fields.

Okay.

Uh, this is why I hate time travel.

Um,

Jude: what'd the kid.

You can't think of it as time travel.

You got to think of it as,
as creating new universes.

Tony: I just think about the sadness that
Toby McGuire is going to have going back.

I saved Norman.

Um, Harry's going to be
alive again and everything.

Oh, it's still is okay.

I guess it's the same.

Al: Do you, do you think the Andrew
Garfield Spider-Man like went back

and then he realized, wait a minute.

That's he S he said, That's spell
brought everyone who knew Spiderman

back and some of them were dead.

Did he miss out on his chance
to sequence Stacy again, that's

going to haunt us forever.

Um,

Tony: wow.

I just hope he never realizes

Trey: dang knife to the heart.

Yeah.

Then

Al: he's going to go off, learn magic.

You'll become the source of Supreme.

Uh, and then he'll end up
destroying his entire universe.

Uh, like we saw in what if,

Jude: wow.

Tony: Um, I will pick up that stray
thought because it just occurred to me.

So I know, hopefully I
didn't lose my chance.

I really want to see an amazing
Spiderman three now or him to

show up in the Vietnam universe.

I feel like this movie has redeemed Andrew
Garfield for me, and I really want to

see more of a Spiderman for the first.

Since 2012, when the
amazing siren that came out.

Jude: Okay.

So I'm going to just play off of that.

And here's my question.

Um, my brother Daniel, my brother
angel said that his actual favorite,

like in a, like just looking at the
different franchises, his favorite

Spiderman is still Tobey Maguire.

Um, but he thought in this movie
Garfield's stole the movie and that

was the best portrayal of Spider-Man
in this movie was Andrew Garfield's.

Um, would you, do you
guys agree with that?

Who was your favorite
Spider-Man out of this movie?

So

Al: I, I think part of that
question is, um, like Spider-Man

the hero versus Peter Parker, right?

Like, I, I, I think that there, you
know, there are different personalities

and they both play them really well.

Uh, and I always liked.

The, the Andrew Garfield, like he, he's
the, he's the guy who tells the jokes.

He has all those quips.

Um, but as like Spider-Man
himself, I think overall I liked

the Toby Maguire version more.

So like, like what, what part do you, do
you give more weight towards one aspect?

Um, or do you like lump them together
or just say like, you know, I like,

I like non costume Peter over here
and then costume dove over here,

Jude: but no, no, no, no.

Like in this film alone in this film?

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Why?

He said he, he said his favorites Toby in
this movie, not thinking of anything else.

He thought Garfield stole
the show was the best one.

Oh, I agree.

Yeah.

Tony: I think, um, like I agree with your
brother that, uh, Garfield stole the show.

I think that Tom Holland is
still my favorite out of these

three Spider-Man in this movie.

But this version of Andrew
Garfield Spider-Man is the best.

This Spiderman can be the
emotional kind of spastic.

Peter Parker is like, this is the
perfect distillation of his character.

And I think, yes, he stole the show
and yes, this is his best performance

as a character, but I don't think
he's the best Spider-Man in this.

Trey: Yeah, I, and this is I'm
100% MCU Homer in this one.

If, if the question is what's one of these
three, what is my favorite in this film?

It's still Holland, just
because of the focus.

Like even though there are some
great moments and I would say Andrew

Garfield, I think is having the most
fun being back in this Spiderman role

between, uh, Garfield and McGuire.

I'm here for Holland.

So it's still like, that's still my
favorite of these three because of

the emotional journey and the humor
we get to go on with the Tom Holland.

Tony: I think the only person
who could have given Holland the

run in front of the money, his
money in my mind was if Peter B.

Parker from

Jude: Spider-Man, whatever shut up

Tony: is an older, heavier
Sater Spider-Man is

Trey: what we need.

Then I will definitely
find one to relate to you.

Jude: I

Tony: think that's why as a
guy in his thirties now that's

my favorite version of spark.

Trey: Yeah.

Jake, Johnson's my hero tier.

So that's just the one-to-one but at
YouTube, how do you answer that question?

I

Jude: say, I think there's some
bias on my part as I enter that

is that it would be Tom Holland.

Um, and, and because I think of those
three, he's the complete package for me.

He's my favorite, um, followed by.

You know, and I, I got to give
Garfield a better, a better shot.

I say, follow my Toby then by Andrew,
because I haven't seen the second amazing

Spider-Man um, I didn't like the first
one or not enough to go see the second

one, if that makes it, like, I enjoyed
it, but it wasn't like, oh, I can't

wait to go see the second one as I
did with Toby McGuire in the MCU ones.

Um, I would agree though,
that Garfield was so good.

Um, there, there was moments where
I thought Toby Maguire, the way you

said it, like the Garfield looked
like he was having fun and Toby

almost looked a little forced in some
places, um, in, in his performance.

And I, and I think that was part
of trying to play and more aged

Spider-Man is, is the feeling I got.

So yeah, so definitely Garfield was good.

Uh, but I'm going to have to, for me
say Holland was, was the best in this.

Trey: So brother Daniel's rolling his
eyes pretty hard at us right now, honey.

Jude: Well, I told him I
was going to bring this up.

Trey: I could see them getting
like annoyed that we didn't give a

middle answer praising all three.

Jude: Well, you know what,
here's the thing I, I told them.

He asked me, you know, should
you should ask him, bring it up.

I was like, I will, I will.

Um, uh, it's like, I don't
want the back of my mind.

It's like, you really enjoyed
Zack Snyder's justice league.

And so

so, but I actually, and I told him,
I would say that on the fly too.

Tony: You know what, when you asked
this question, exact times just league

came into my mind because, um, I think
just like the amazing Spider-Man movies,

those are very interesting takes on the
characters, not my cup of tea, but the

fact that they're like considered, at
least for awhile, they were the only takes

on the characters is what disappointed me.

So back when we were talking
about amazing Spider-Man and my

disappointment back in those days,
because it was the only official.

Spider-Man um, now that we can have
a, multi-verse both in the Marvel

universe and the DC universe, we
can have multiple Batman's, which

we are, we could have multiple
Spider-Man's, which we see, hopefully

I'm written now I want Garfield back.

So I'm hoping that they throw him into
the venom verse, but it's just like

the fact that I can enjoy, um, Ben
Affleck's Batman, and I can enjoy,

um, uh, Andrew Garfield Spider-Man
because they're not the only one.

They're not the only
flavor of those heroes.

We get, we get a variety

Jude: now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that's well, put.

Trey: Tony the, the, the great
negotiator here, but three bucks.

Tony: Hello there.

Trey: Oh, man.

I don't know.

I'm going to jump in here
with my straight thoughts.

Cause I got one goofy one and one bigger
one and I'll play off what you just said,

Tony, about the multiple iterations.

Um, I'm actually very curious, um, going
into this movie so much of the talk was

the multi versus breaking the multi versus
you know, going to be forever changed.

And that's how it's going to
impact the MCU moving forward.

It feels like they tidy it up.

Like if they, they fixed it and it does
seem like it will have repercussions in

multi-verse of madness, but it didn't
leave us outside of maybe a little bit of.

With different universe
characters stuck in the MCU.

So I'm wondering how much the
multi-verse is playing into the grand

scheme of things, or if this is just
a stint in the overall roadmap of what

we're going to for the next 10 years.

So I don't know if anyone
else feels that way or I'm

Jude: I'm with you because we know
it's coming, but now it feels like

it's never going to get there.

Um, you know, cause what was it,
one division and we're broken and

low-key and king and you know,
oh, I guess it's going to be Dr.

Strange, especially from the way
they use the, they cut the trailer.

Right.

Um, it looked like this is what's
going to break it wide open and

then it's like, oh no, it didn't.

Um, and so it, it, it now for the Dr.

Strange trailer, it's, you know, it
seems like, okay, so that's where

the multi-verse gonna break open and.

But now it feels like, well, it's already
broken because if it's the strange from

what if and, and so it's, it's, you know
what, and what's really weird is, I mean,

if you want to try to get technical about
it, the, the, the, the multi-verse exists.

It's it's when are they going to finally
embrace this jumping back and forth?

Tony: So, yeah.

Yeah.

I think the, one of the things we're
going to see in the MCU is the multi

versus broken, sorry, Sylvia broken.

But, um, I think we're going to see
the repercussions from this university.

We'll get some excursions outside
the universe, like Marissa

madness, but it's mostly going
to be external people coming in.

Um, just because they want to keep with
the characters that we already know.

Trey: My only pushback on that
is yes, the multi-verse is broken

because of what Sylvie's done.

But so far the lasting effects of
that is within its own MCU franchise.

It feels like we've had other
franchises come in and then go back.

So I'm wondering if that they will
fully meld or if it's just going to be

visits, but we stick within the own.

Cause you have the, what if universe
and you have the live-action

universe, it feels like those are
the only ones that are permanent.

So.

And maybe I'm just being
pedantic, but that's the only

pushback I got to to, yeah.

Tony: I think we're still early days.

Um, I mean, think about when we
saw the Avengers, could we predict

what end game was going to be like?

No, I think it's, we're.

I think we're going to a, maybe a
secret wars or something like that.

10 years down the road, and it's
going to be a lot of building.

And when we watch these
back in 10 years is gone.

It's going to feel like it goes fast
because we don't have to wait six months

to a year between each installment.

But right now it's, it
feels very piecemeal because

we're living in real time.

That's

Trey: true.

Well, cool.

Uh, to throw out my goofy, straight
thought, uh, whenever the trailer first

released, I remember there was a lot of
talk about how no pun intended strange

doctor strange felt within that trailer.

And I know one of the things
that I specifically zoned in

on was how, like, just visibly,
like his hair looked different.

It struck me today.

The reason why that's the case
for me is because despite multiple

appearances of Steven strange,
he's only had one solo outing.

And that's the only one I
think we've seen where he's not

distressed and the middle of action.

So I'm not used to seeing
him with well kept hair.

So that's why he looks grades
and the sanctum sanctorum.

So he's been a busy
guy, well, less busy now

Jude: that he's not well.

And I just, I just want to add one thing.

Um, Matt Murdoch, his hair was a
little bit different than that.

I remember for the Netflix series,
but that's all, uh, I was watching,

Tony: I was watching one of those,
you know, Easter egg videos.

I can't remember the screen crusher,
someone put out today and it was like,

uh, Jimmy Fox is electro is a variant
because he had a comb-over in the

previous movie and has different hair.

Now it's like, come on guys.

If he can turn into electricity and come
out, he can change his hair in there.

Al: He could have a wig.

Jude: No, no, I know it's not a variance
it's but you know, and I do, I do wonder

if that's, if that's an intentional choice
though, and Murdoch and a separation

of the Netflix series, or was that
just, Hey nerd, boy, you need to calm

down, like, you know what you said,
it could be, you know, that as well.

So

Tony: I think all will be revealed
in the finale of Hawkeye, which

depending on when this drops or
may have already been revealed.

Trey: If you would've told me when I
wrote my joke, stray thought about Dr.

Strange his hair, that we would
actually have more to add to

that about other people's hair.

Never would have guessed it.

So I'm so glad you all are on this
to discuss it and flush that out.

Tony: Hey man, there's no thing too
pedantic for, for podcasters to get into.

Jude: True.

This is true.

Oh man.

Well, I think that's

Trey: going to wrap it up Al Tony.

I want to say thank you so much
for joining us to do these.

Spider-Man no way home reactions.

Oh,

Al: anytime it was a lot of fun

Tony: guys.

Thank you for having us.

Jude: Thank you for, thank you for
jumping on and looking forward to, to.

Tallying up points on yours.

Tony: Yeah, I'm guys, I'm not optimistic
about my championship anymore.

I haven't gone back and looked
at the answers, but I haven't

Al: thinking feelings.

Trey: If you're interested in that,
make sure that you are following,

uh, Alan Toni on Twitter at MCU
underscore rewind as well as subscribing

and downloading to their podcast.

MCU rewind wherever you
download your podcasts.

And if you want to have a handy
link for all of that MCU rewind.com.

Uh, as we've talked about here, uh,
multiple times we will be joining

their show again to tally up the points
we got from our predictions episode.

So we'll link to the prediction
episode in the show notes, as

well as your other socials.

Uh, As far as this show goes, if you want
to get in touch with what we thought about

this episode or what you thought about no
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Uh, we have been doing great work to
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Some extra content that we think
would be great supplements.

So if that's interesting to you, make sure
you're following us on those social sites,

Jude: scroll down and in the show
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discord, a wonderful community there
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a wide variety of other pop culture.

And.

Just things we like to talk about, uh,
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Cause that'll get you access
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And of course the best thing you
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Trey: friend.

Yeah.

We'd also like to thank Nick Sandy for
the use of our theme song, which is

his rendition of the Avengers theme.

You can find more of his work
on his SoundCloud, which is

also linked in the show notes.

Well, that's going to do it.

Thank you so much for
listening, Altona and Jude.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Jude: Thank you, Trey.

Thank you guys anytime.

Al: Yep.

Trey: Thank you.

We'll see you all next week.

but yeah, I expect it to be just
kind of free flowing since I'm.

I know I just saw it today, so to Jude
and I think you two saw yesterday.

Tony: Yeah, we was all last night.

Jude: Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah.

So buddy of mine went yesterday at
three and as soon as he got out, he

drove to another theater and watched
it, like he saw it, he saw it at three

and then again at six 30, it just,

Tony: so that's the way to do it.

I, I actually did that.

Uh, Spiderman three.

I saw two times within 24 hours.

Not because it was so good, but.

Uh, Spiderman three, like
the Raimi Spider-Man one.

Yeah.

Um, because I had, was going to go see
it and then my buddy couldn't get off

of work until much later that night.

And I was like, fine, I'll
go see it twice in one day.

I'm sure it's going to be great.

The Spiderman problem,

Trey: man.

Jude: How can I be bad?

Tony: The worst thing was going
into the second time and I

didn't want to ruin it for him.

Like, I didn't know if
it was just a me thing.

Maybe I'm the only one who didn't like
it, so I didn't want to ruin it for him.

So it was like trying to get on it.

Yeah.

It's you'll probably have fun, man.

Let's just go in.

Let's see it.

Jude: Yeah.

Yeah.

Trey: Oh man.

That's

Al: so funny.

So as I was leaving the theater last
night, um, like I overhear a group of

people talking just outside the theater
and I hear one guy saying, well, I guess

now we have to go by Spiderman three.

That's the only, uh,
Marvel related, uh, DVD.

I don't own,

Jude: well,

Trey: you didn't want us
to them for owning amazing.

Spider-Man too.

Jude: Right.

Like I still haven't seen that movie.