Trey: Hello and welcome back to
another episode of MCU Need to

Know, a podcast dedicated to the
Marvel Cinematic Universe, and

everything you need to know.

I'm Trey.

Jude: I'm jude.

How are you doing Trey?

Trey: Man, this feels weird.

We we recorded earlier this week
for the Spider-Man: No Way Home

trailer that finally came out.

And so it feels like we're
double-dipping this week.

Jude: It does.

It does.

I was like, we just recorded.

What are we doing?

But, uh, yea.

Trey: We've, we've put in our work.

We can take the week off, right?

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Jude: You know what

it was, it was.

Ah, such a glorious day, the
Spider-Man trailer coming out.

Trey: The best part of it was
you calling it, which I didn't

give you credit for at the time.

But looking back on it, when I was
doing like the social media post, where

I was like adding a bunch of different
things to the Instagram carousel,

I made sure to get your screenshot.

And I was like, Jude knocked that out
of the park and I was so dismissive.

Jude: Well, you know what?

Friend Daniel kind of gave me a hard time.

He was like, yeah, but how
many times were you wrong?

Trey: You only have to be right once and
hope everybody forgets all the others.

Absolutely

Jude: That's story of my life.

Trey: Otherwise known as
our WandaVision coverage.

Jude: No kidding.

Right.

The X-Men are coming!

Trey: Oh man,, but yeah,
that's, that's how I'm doing.

It's been weird.

Jude: Yeah.

Trey: What about you?

Jude: I'm doing all right.

I think it's interesting that
we're coming around that time.

That it's hurricane season again.

Trey: I know.

Jude: So we probably shouldn't have
guests because you're just going to be

rescheduled.

Trey: Well, hopefully history
doesn't repeat itself because

there is a projected hurricane.

And the last time I was editing
and it's my week to edit.

So if there's episodes late
this Monday, you know, huh.

Jude: I think it will be in the clear.

And so, you know, I'm just
glad that tomorrow is Friday.

Um, and I realized as you're listening
to it, it's a Monday, but as we record.

Well at the gas bingo card.

Tomorrow's Friday.

Oh my friend.

It'd a little bit of time traveling.

Um, my friend, uh, or friends, my cousin,
Paul who's a listener of the pod will, is

actually staying with me for the weekend.

So that'll be fun and
he'll be here tomorrow.

Um, but as he's listening to
this, it will have happened.

Podcasting

Trey: is wild.

Yep.

Well, if you download this episode, you
know, we're going to be talking about

what if season one, episode three, what
if the world lost its mightiest heroes?

So the way we're going to do this is we're
going to have some pre spoiler thoughts,

uh, which is a chance for us to talk
about the episode without spoiling it.

And eventually that'll bring
us to a audio cue, which will

bring us to the spoiler zone.

But before we get there, uh,
dude, what are your pre spoiler

thoughts for this episode?

Jude: I really enjoyed it.

It was one of those.

That.

Hmm.

How do I explain it?

It was one of those where I just
kind of sat back and enjoyed it.

Like, you know what I mean?

Still had that cartoon field
we talked about last week.

I don't think it had as many cartoon ish
lines in the writing, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

But w but it was definitely, you
know, well paced kinda Saturday

morning cartoon, uh, you know, and
I was streaming services and no TV.

I don't even know if my kids know
what Saturday morning cartoons are.

Trey: Oh man.

I never even thought about that.

I

Jude: know.

And so in that sense, it took
me back, which was really.

And you preach for their

Trey: thoughts, priests for Lutherans.

You know, one of the things we always talk
about whenever we review series, whether

it's the movies or the Disney plus series,
whatever it is, is this feeling of either,

and then this happened storytelling or
actual cause and effect storytelling.

This I think was the best
demonstration of cause and effect

storytelling that I've seen.

I think it helps that it is
these quick, under 30 minutes.

Like dip in dip out episodes, but
that gives them the freedom to

really boil down the storytelling.

And I think that was impressive.

And I think what also helps that is that
at its core, this is a murder mystery and

despite I'll get into, and once we get
into the spoiler zone, but despite some

quibbles I have with it, it did keep me
engaged in that mystery or all the way

to the end, which is really impressive.

And the last pre spoiler.

Yeah.

I like that this episode is essentially
what if phase one was as interconnected

as the later seasons of the MCU?

Jude: Yes.

I love that.

It went through, you know, can we talk
about the week and how it jumped around?

Like you said, those movies through
the week, and that was really, really

good.

Trey: Well, those are
our pre spoiler thoughts.

So that leaves us with the spoiler zone.

So like we said, you're
going to hear an audio cue.

And on the other side, it'll be fair
game for all spoilers in the MCU.

So we'll see you on the other side.

And we're back.

So we're going to breaking these down into
the most important topics, which as we've

been doing for these last two episodes.

And now this third one, we're
going to start with the choice as

the first main important topic.

This is the section for us to
really describe and dig into what

has changed in this universe.

So with this episode, Jude,
where would you like to start for

Jude: me?

I, I really liked the way.

We jumped into iron man too.

Uh, it felt very similar to
episode one where we're captain

America, first of injure.

And then all of a sudden
there's a deviation.

So I really enjoyed that part
considering like where they go.

And as we mentioned, the
murder mystery and the who did.

It was something I wasn't expecting.

You know, it was a really good murder
mystery in the sense of, I wasn't

expecting it, but they give you enough
information towards the end or you

can figure out sort of, but yeah, I
really liked that, that element cause

like, okay, we're doing iron man too.

We'll do an Ironman to the next thing.

You know, he just kills over.

Um, so I, I really enjoyed the way
they did the choice in this one.

Trey: It's definitely
not clearly as defined.

From last week and even more so in that
first episode, which I think has been the

most defined choice of the series so far.

And that trips me up a little bit, but
the more I thought about it, I think I

appreciated that it wasn't like a drastic
change so much as a, an illuminating

look like I liked that we got that
walk up to a familiar zone where.

It's Nat and fury in the car
as they're approaching stark.

Right.

So it was cool to kind of like get
this pulled back view a bit, which

is, I think another potential of this.

What if series, like so much of
it is like, oh, expanding the

possibilities of what could happen.

And I think this episode gave
us like, okay, well, here's just

a kind of pulled back view too.

And I appreciated that

Jude: it's giving us something
that we hadn't seen before.

That fits within what we're familiar with.

And I think it really is following the
idea of a multi-verse fairly closely,

you know, I mean, I mean the idea
that, you know, there's some other

universe out there where there's a
slight deviation and then there's

another universe where there's that
as a different deviation, you know?

And, and so with the, the
movies that were used to.

Seeing rooting us in that.

And I think that's where I got where I
was really disappointed in the first,

in the second episode, which is weird.

Cause I have so many people love it, but
they didn't for me put us into that movie.

And then we see that deviation,
you know, it was just like,

we see the beginning of it.

What does guardians okay.

Let's rewind and see the difference.

And, and so it just kind of
took me out of it, you know?

So in, in that, like that, that's
something that I really enjoyed about it

is, is that framing or that rooting in the

Trey: familiar?

Yeah, I do want to make one
slight clarification here.

It's funny.

How, what if in these
first three episodes.

Is already so wild that
Tony start can die.

And I felt comfortable
saying not a drastic change.

And what I mean by that, what I
mean by that, obviously that's huge.

All the Avengers died in this episode
spoilers, but for the most part, the

storylines played out the same way.

Minus the fact that everybody's dropping
dead, but it wasn't a drastic change.

Like, because this happened
now this person is in space.

If that makes sense.

Yes.

That makes sense.

So, so just to clarify, like, it was, it
was like a, it was like a self-governing

TVA timeline where it's like, oh, we
keep trying to go back to where we

were supposed to be, but we can't.

Jude: Right.

Well, I mean, it makes sense, right?

Cause everybody's
following their same path.

Right.

Yeah.

And the, the choice, the offscreen
choice, you know, that, that takes us

into deviation then continues and you
get the logical progression of, okay.

So now Blackwood, it goes for banner
here rather than when they're trying

to get the, of interest together.

Right.

Um, low-key showing up in,
uh, it's a revenge Thor, you

know, is a logical conclusion.

You know, when, when Thor would
naturally be going and on separately

and as an as guard, you know?

And so, yeah, so like that and doing
what he did in the first store movie.

So yeah, so like, I, I like it in
the way you said it's like, and then

this happened and this happened,
but it wasn't way out in left field.

Trey: Well, unless there's any more here
in the choice, I think we can go ahead

and move into our next most important top.

So this one is going
to be Fury's big week.

Now this is going to entail everything
to do with fury, as he progressed

to this episode in a familiar.

Too familiar progression of trying
to recruit his projected candidates

for the Avengers initiative.

So starting with me this time, I
think what I found really impressive

about this episode is that it bridged
three movies from one perspective.

So Fury's big week has already something.

I think a lot of the fans
were familiar with because.

I think that might've been one of
the first like, oh, these are all

truly connected moments where you
could see the interlocking storyline

of Ironman to Hulk and Thor.

And to an extent, captain America, as
it led up into the Avengers, right?

Those took place over four movies.

But because we're from the
perspective of Nick fury, they

can condense all of that into one.

And I think that's just such a nice
mechanic for this story, especially

because it's a murder mystery.

So having the Monday, Tuesday, and
like, it's almost like you could hear

the done done of law and order without
them actually having to use that.

So that was, that was really impressive.

Jude: And that sense, I also think
it's fitting that fury, it was

centered on fury because, you know,
it was Fury's idea to bring the team

together, you know, so to speak, but
it also like how they made fun of him.

The speech all the way through, like,
I've heard it, I've read it, you know?

And in that I, yeah, like that,
that was so for me, that was

so good, but you're right.

Like, like you had the opportunity
to see that, but it makes sense

if you're going to do this,
that's who you centered on, right?

Cause this is him attempting.

To play out his idea and in watch
him have to deal with it step

Trey: by step.

Yeah.

And talking about this, I think
that's what helps solidify what

was off putting to me about the
choice not being clearly defined.

We, I mean, we were in spoiler zone.

We know that the biggest change was
Hank Pym going on this mission to

take out the Avengers initiative.

So it was interesting to me
that the choice was divorced

from the main character, which
is Nick fury in this situation.

But given the overall message that I think
this episode is shooting for, I don't

think the choice has to be Nick Fury's
because it is all about his resolve.

And I don't know, I guess I'm still
exploring my feelings about that.

Given the short timeframe, you can pull
that off where it's not his choice,

but it's still his strength, if that

Jude: makes sense.

But it also like with that, the
ramifications of with the Avengers

gone, it made it easier for Loki
Loki to take over, which makes sense.

But it happened in a completely different
way, you know, and shows how neat.

The Avengers were and

Trey: are speaking of Loki's arrival.

I mean, the tagline of the series
is one question changes everything.

And I think I'm trying to evaluate
my words here because I did mention

earlier not being a drastic change.

And I had originally wrote, I think
so far, this episode has been the

perfect encapsulation of that.

And.

I think even though the changes aren't
drastic, you can see the cascading

effects of them, uh, far more, just
because we already talked about how

there's this feeling of a shifting
storyline where, because this happened

now, NATS here, because this happened
now Fury's right here and it takes

what was already a big week for fuel.

And makes it a tremendous week.

And I think it goes to show kind of what
I was saying about furious resolved,

but also proving the point of the
Avengers of like they needed them.

And now we get to see a glimpse
of what it wouldn't have,

what it would be like with it.

And, and to just round that off, I
want to, I, you know, I mentioned the

phrase last week, a lived in world
because of the sliding storylines.

It does feel like it's traces of that
lived in world because of stark dying

and the way that affected the plans.

It shows how stacked everything is against
fury, which I think will bring us to a

very satisfactory resolution by the end.

Well,

I'm

Jude: wondering if this is just me
and why I liked this episode so much

or may or, you know, and let me just
say it this way and to see what you

think in the, in the contributing.

Because we know these characters so
well, because we were with them from

phase one all the way to end game.

And after with black widow, we had a
lot to work with and outside knowledge

and I, and I think that that maybe help
for me enhance this, uh, episode and

maybe even help the writers in terms of.

What they could do and rely on like
previous knowledge of the character,

you know, make making the jokes about
Thor's looks poking fun at the speech,

you know, the way they portrayed general
Ross and all and all of that stuff.

I think, I think that he, a lot of
heavy lifting didn't have to be done

in this episode as they did with the

Trey: others.

You know, I mentioned this in
that first solo episode where.

I came away from that one, feeling
like I watched a Marvel legends

episode for an alternate universe.

And you saying what you just
said now about the heavy

lifting, being the knowledge we
have of the movies beforehand?

I really think those two points are,
are clicking for me where I, I don't

know how to bring, like I'm already
thinking ahead to, cause we always

do a, um, an overall wrap-up episode.

And one of the things I've been thinking
of throughout these first three episodes.

Yeah.

I don't know if this series works without
the prior knowledge for it not being as

connected to the MCU, as it feels right
now, it's also not standalone either.

And it's a weird nebulous
space that it finds itself in.

Jude: This is completely not standalone.

I Hmm.

I really would be interested to know,
you know, cause we hear the like,

oh, I, I saw Loki for the first time
and now I'm going back and watching

one division and all the other.

ER, I saw one division for the first
time and that got me into the MCC.

Man, I wonder how flat this falls
or does it work that way where

it's a good entryway to the MCU?

I don't feel like it is,

Trey: this feels right.

Even harder to jump into than end game.

Cause I know it's happened before
where somebody said like, oh

yeah, I jumped in at end game and
then went back to watch them all.

Cause I liked it that much.

I don't know if you
could do that for this.

Jude: Because even with the
Watchers dialogue, there's

clearly a reference to it.

Something else.

Yeah.

You know, like the iron Stomper,
hydrogen, why can't I get that?

Right.

Uh, the hydro Stauffer, you
know, screw it, Nazi Thumper.

Um, the hydro Stomper.

You know, I, listen,

Trey: I know your team stark, and it
must tear at your core to know that

Steve is in the iron man, sand that's.

That's why the

Jude: district it is.

It's just like the synapses in my brain
just doesn't know which one to fire.

Cause it's like what?

Um, but, but yeah, like to have that
particular armor show up, like you need

to have seen iron man to have to really
understand and appreciate the connection.

I feel, you know, same thing you got to
see, Star-Lord be an idiot to understand.

They are the whole like, or like
the whole getting side excited, you

know, when, when it is star Lord
versus the who kinda thing, you know,

the, the quips about it is genocide.

It's efficient, like
without seeing in game.

Uh, and then this like, like what
are they actually referring to

when they give starkly injection?

You

Trey: know, it's, it's
hard to just jump in, um,

Jude: But if you do jump in on this
episode and then go back, imagine

the shock when you show up and you're
like, Edward Norton, that's not,

Trey: oh man.

Yeah.

This, uh, this definitely gave
us a glimpse of what it would be

like if a ruffle was there from
the beginning and it was uncanny.

Jude: See that meant
maybe that was the choice.

Trey: What if we never

Jude: recast it?

Oh, my gosh, how great would that
would be if they brought like

Terrence Howard back to voice roadie

Trey: that's

Jude: there's no Norton, you know, and
you're just like, what if we didn't

recast of that would be so awful.

Or, or they should be so great.

Uh, you got Emily blunt
to voice black widow.

Trey: Wow.

Now that's, that's a deep do
definitely me into the fandom to pick

Jude: that up.

Fantastic.

Trey: Okay.

Well, you know, speaking of the influences
from the entirety of the MC it'll Austin

Thor, I do, Hey, it's possible there.

I got Hiddleston Loki in that, so.

Let's have some fun with it.

Anyway, like I was saying, uh, the
influences, the MCU, I really liked

that this episode feels like it's
pulling from a lot of different places.

The obvious one is phase one, but I
also feel like we're getting hints

at a winter soldier type vibe,
especially with the Natasha storyline.

But since we're in the fury section,
His storyline really reminded me of

civil war in that spirit of destroy
them from the inside kind of feeling

that, uh, Hank Pym was going.

And so watching theory come into
conflict with that was very interesting.

Oh yeah.

Jude: Well, you know, you had the
hint because it was kind of a mystery.

Um, it would bring crossbones back.

Frank Grillo does the voice.

Um, yeah, absolutely.

Trey: You know, another thing that I
really wanted to zone in on is the.

Inclusion of Colson.

Uh, I put him here in the Nick
fury section just because their

storylines are really tied together.

My impression was that I think
Colson really evolved into being

this comedic type character.

Like he always had his humorous moments,
but definitely in that first phase,

he was a lot more straight-laced
than I think he was allowed to

be funny, if that makes sense.

And so it's fun to revisit phase one
with a Colson that just gets to be

funny and sometimes a little weird.

Well, I'm

Jude: wondering, do we.

What Colson was like in phase
one, because, you know, he didn't

make it out of phase one because
of agents of shield, you know?

And I realize, you know, like
can canonicity instead of word.

Trey: Okay.

It is now MC you need to know
canonicity and that's right.

Jude: Canonicity um, because of
the, you know, the canonicity

question of agents of shield.

Um, the hope of the MCU rewind
and the scourge of leech.

I do.

I wonder if that changes how we
view Colson or at least in memory,

you know, and so you're right.

Getting to explore.

This was really, it was

Trey: really.

Well to put it this way.

I think this demonstrates Colson in
phase one more like he wasn't agents

of shield, then he wasn't phase one
because I want to, I want to be clear.

I'm not saying that he was absent of
comedic moments because he did have them.

But I think there was, I think that
was more attributed to Clark Greg's

personality than it was the character.

And then the character
evolved to be funny.

Yeah.

But you know, sticking with Colson.

There's one more scene.

Zone in on for this most important topic.

And it was the one where Colson
and fury are in the diner after

Natasha has passed away, you know,
Cole sends assuring fury that like,

Hey, you're not down every vendor.

There was still one name on the list.

Yours.

And so this whole scene is played out
as a moment to like, be the revelation

of like, oh, fury can call Danvers in.

And he goes to go get the
beeper and all that jazz.

But I like that they have that buildup,
but then there's a pause where fury

figures out how to handle this on his own.

And so it explores this idea of fury
being the heart of the Avengers.

Not necessarily.

Within the connection of the
team, but just again, there was

an idea, it was Fury's idea.

And he brought these people together.

And even when he's down to the last
leg, literally him, it still takes

Jude: shape.

Yeah.

I like, I like that.

You put it that way.

Uh, cause I said, you know, I guess
it's, you know, off pine, but I

never thought of fury as an Avenger.

I just thought of them as
the orchestrator, if you

will, of the Avengers.

I mean, yeah.

I also just realized.

This is a universe, I
guess, Colson still alive.

Yeah.

Cause there's you made it out.

Yeah.

Good for Colson.

Trey: You know, we talked about this
off mic before we got into this subject.

Part of the reason why I wanted to make
sure we talked about Colson is he somehow

slipped through all of our review.

I think iron man, iron man two is
where he's most prominent and we

didn't mention him much at all.

Jude: Well, He didn't have much to do.

He really did.

And it was like a show up and it, it
really was, he was used as that connective

tissue from movie to movie, you know,
he showed up in Ironman, stablish at the

shield show of an Ironman to, um, Thor.

Not really captain America.

Um, you know, and, and just gave
you those little connections.

I don't remember Colson didn't
show up in incredible Hulk.

Trey: I don't think so.

I think the only connected tissue we have
was the Tony stark post credit scene.

So

Jude: like, so he didn't have, I mean,
God, when you consider what people think

of Colson, you know, fans wise, he didn't
have a lot of screen time, but like you

said, I think that's a credit to Clark.

Gregg.

Trey: Yeah.

Well, that's going to wrap it up for our
thoughts in the Fury's big week section,

which will bring us into the next one,
which is called Natasha's mission.

This is going to send her on to
everything regarding Romanovs time in

the episode where she is covertly, trying
to track down who is responsible for

all the murders that are taking place.

So Jude, we're starting with you
this time, where would you like to.

My favorite

Jude: part, honestly, in favorite's
probably too strong of a word, but the

part that I really enjoyed in both watches
was how they took the winter soldier

elevator scene, but then put it at least
for me and then put it into the scene

where Natasha escapes from the truck
that I, I just thoroughly enjoyed both

Trey: times it.

And again, I talked about how
there was influences from the

MCU in the previous section.

I mentioned the winter soldier part
for Natasha that fits in wonderfully,

especially with them doing the,
the elevator scene payoff here.

And it's the same crew and they
even have hints to it too, which

is whenever she's being carted off,
you hear rum lo mentioned like, Hey,

Pierce wants Natasha for questioning.

At that point in the prime timeline,
we didn't really know that they

were Hydra, but because of what we
were talking about earlier about.

This being so dependent on our knowledge,
it is fun that you get a glimpse of that.

Um, that reality of what
it could be with Hydra.

And I think it helps seed the idea
that what's going on might be high

to relate it and not necessarily the
revelation with yeah, it's a nice

Jude: misdirect.

Um, the trust still from furious part
to Natasha, which is very similar to.

Like you said winter soldier.

Yeah.

Trey: Yeah.

So I do have more to say, but I want to
go ahead and take some time here to show

some appreciation for lake bell, who is
the voice actress for Natasha Romanov?

I think she did a really, really good job.

And the thing that stuck out to me
is Scarlett Johannson has a certain

cadence to her line delivery in the
movies that I think lake bell nailed

here in the what F series and much like
what I was saying with Josh Keaton.

Steve Rogers in the first episode,
it feels like there is a mixture

of something new and something
familiar in their performance.

And I just wanted to highlight that here

Jude: with Lakeville.

You know what I will say that and
just add on, I don't think I missed

Scarlett Johannson, not being there.

Same for toe for rubber Downey, Jr.

Same for, like I said,
Steve Rogers, Chris Evans.

Like, like it, didn't not hearing
or recognizing their voices.

Didn't take me out of it at all.

And I, and I think that's what you're
just saying, a credit to the work

that they did, the, the, the voice

Trey: and, you know, I have his name here.

I had every straight
thoughts, but I'll pull it up.

Mic Wingert is the voice of
Tony stark in this episode.

Jude: Oh yeah.

Like my, my very first note.

Was stark really sounds like the actors.

Trey: Yeah.

You know, and it was something I was
really worried about because that

second trailer we got for what it is.

It opened up with, I'm assuming the
same voice actor for Tony stark.

And I just remember thinking like,
Ooh, that is a bold choice to start

this episode with that rendition of
Tony stark, because that felt way off.

So I've been very apprehensive about
seeing Tony stark in this, but in

this episode, I think he nailed

Jude: it.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Uh, side note, as I went to IMD
just now to pull up the case.

Um, you know, when you go to seasons
and you go look for the episode, there's

some nails up for all the episodes.

Uh, don't go look.

Trey: Oh, no.

Did you just get smiled

Jude: a little bit?

A little bit, so yeah, just,
uh, don't do that anyway.

Yeah.

Don't.

Shame on me for wanting to, I
don't know, give credit to voice

actors and try to look up their
names and get spoiled for things.

See,

Trey: this is going to make sense when
you get to the end of the episode and

you don't even know what I want to
do yet, but chronologically as you're

listening to it, this is I've always felt
a tinge of guilt that we never really

highlight the writers and the directors.

Every time we do an episode.

Because of what just happened to
you is exactly why I never looked

Jude: right.

Trey: Oh man.

I'm sorry, dude.

That

Jude: sucks.

That's all right.

I believe my MDB.

Yeah,

Trey: should've gone to Wikipedia and

Jude: actually what I wanted to
check is Michael Douglas voiced.

Yeah.

That's the thing is like how you
mentioned, like seeing Josh Brolin's name.

They didn't have my house's
name in the beginning.

Trey: Oh, that's good.

I didn't even, I actually start,
like, I pick a point when the

opening intro is playing and I
just keep my eyes fixated on it.

So I don't.

Yeah,

Jude: well, like I didn't, I I'm
the second watch I was looking at.

Because of what you said about
Brolin and I did not see it

unless I'm just like that.

Don't so

Trey: you need to know, let us know

Jude: is Juju there.

It is friend.

Daniel's going to be like free day.

He was going to like blow up on this.

And my brother, Daniel's going to jump in.

We'll

Trey: do a poll.

Yes or no.

Jude: It's dangerous.

My wife will respond like it's,
we're going to probably get

the most engagement say yes,

Trey: I wouldn't do that to you.

Hmm, maybe transitions.

Let's

Jude: jump back in.

Um, also I wanted to look up like
lake bell lake bell was the voice of

Vanessa Fisk and into the spider verse.

Oh, well, I didn't know that, uh, Chloe
and secret life of pets too crossed

over to the DC universe hardly, uh,
and the Harley Quinn TV series did

poison Ivy and a couple of others.

Um, see if there's anything drunk history,
TV series, she shows up and secret life

of pets, Chloe on the first one as well.

And I'm gonna say robot
chicken a couple of times.

Interesting black widow and
robot chicken back in 2012.

Okay,

Trey: Nan.

So this goes all the

Jude: way.

Uh, in aerial and black
in a robot chicken.

So yeah.

You know, um, awesome.

Trey: Well, speaking about Natasha
in this episode in particular, um,

we've, we've kind of talked a little
bit about it already, but just

to put a final point on it, I do
like that they adapted so much of.

Trust being vital to Natasha's character.

Uh, we already highlighted the
winter soldier influences, which

was our first real glimpse into it.

But after seeing black widow, we know
how important trust is to her character

and to have them have that moment where
she's in handcuffs and she's kind of.

Pleading, like, I didn't do this,
but nobody's going to believe me.

And then Nick fury comes in and
is like, I believe you, you're

the safest bet I'll ever make.

That was just really nice.

And it's these little man
these calculated, like.

Punches of sincerity that I think
is working for this episode.

And again, I

Jude: think that goes back to
being able to build off of our

knowledge off of these characters.

Do you think they had Loki and Jamie
Alexander lady SIF, do their voice work?

While filming since they were
there while filming Loki.

Trey: Well, you know, this didn't
make a cut of an episode, but we

had that little debrief with friend
Daniel, where we were talking about

some speculation stuff I won't get
into here, but I made like part of my

rationale for a scenario I was pitching
was that Tom Hiddleston did the voice.

For the making of documentary.

And I was under the impression
that happened because they were

working on what if as well.

And since you already have the
voice recording set up, why not

go ahead and just do that too.

Yeah.

I don't think it'd be that hard of
a stretch to say like, Hey, maybe.

I mean, they were already
working on one thing.

Why not just kind of save
time and do that too.

Jude: You don't have to
bring them in separately.

I mean, they don't shoot
things in order on movies.

Anyways.

He's these professionals
can do something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Trey: Huh.

Interesting thought.

You know, another, one of the things
that I really wanted to hone in on

here in this Natasha's mission section
is I really appreciate the love that

they're showing towards incredible hope.

I feel like that's a movie that often
gets changed a lot within the MCU cannon,

uh, to the point that I think people
often forget it is part of the MCU.

So I, I, I, I have a soft spot for it,
so it was really nice to see it here

throughout the majority of her storyline.

And again, it's more of that
cause and effect storytelling

where, because stark died.

Nat is now involved with Bruce
banner, whereas previously she

was tied up in iron man too.

So it's, it's, it's fun
to see those shifts.

Jude: Well, my note made the incredible
Hulk relevant exclamation point.

Uh, I mean you just did
like, you have to have.

A working knowledge of that movie.

And that's like you said, the scene,
not just that, but that scene is

like a skippable movie really.

And so I'm, I'm glad they
went in that direction.

Uh, it was good to see
Betsy Ross come back.

Obviously they didn't bring
Liv Tyler back to voice it.

I think that's okay.

You know, but yeah.

General Ross actually sounded like
general Ross, even though it wasn't.

Um, yeah, so that I'm, I'm
glad you brought that up.

That was really good.

There was a moment during
that sequence though.

I was going to say this restraint
thoughts, but I'm going to

bring it up when Natasha landed
after jumping out the winner.

All I thought was, oh, I
thought it was what a poser.

Yeah,

Trey: don't get me wrong.

I'd love to keep having Scarlett
Johannson and black widow

within the MCU moving forward.

But because of the black widow solo
movie, I don't think I could ever

take us another landing seriously.

So maybe it's good that the

Jude: characters go well, even when
he, even when fury did his land.

After matrix flipping over Loki, I
was just like poser, poser, which

Florence Pugh, when you need her,

Trey: you know, I know our
friends over at MC rewind.

They have account of the superhero
landing going on within the MCU.

I hope they've adapted
it to just being posers.

Jude: Yes.

Oh God, that'd be great.

That's great.

Just rename it.

The poster account.

Oh,

Trey: yeah.

Oh man.

So one more thing to talk about Hawk.

Before we move back to Natasha man,
what a horrific way for hope to go.

Um, this is even more of a tangent.

Like I know this isn't a hope focused
episode, but I hope the NCU gets away

from using the hope as a way to set
the stakes of how desperate things.

Because it feels like the last
few depictions we've had of

them has been exactly that.

So an infinity war, you had him
losing the Thanos, uh, an in game.

You had him snapping and
showing how much it damaged him.

And then in this one, you've had
them exploding, which really set

the tone of like, oh, they're
up against something really big.

Yeah.

Jude: You know what?

It was interesting.

Uh, my cousin, Paul, who I mentioned
earlier, texted me and said, I didn't

expect how mature the storyline would be.

Like I was legit shocked
when the whole blew up.

It's dark.

Yeah.

And, and for me, the one that
really got me was the Chippendales.

I was like age range.

Do these kids know and
whatnot, but it's, it's TV 14.

They're

Trey: thinking of the squirrels.

No, I'm not

Jude: thinking of the squirrels.

Trey: No.

Oh, okay.

I said that.

Jude: I know, but I'm just saying like,
like that line and like I'm thinking age

range of like, you know, But it's it's
TB 14 and cousin Paul even said, thinking

back to that first episode, captain
Carter was really messing up those people

in more than a PG manner in quotes.

But I mean, yeah, he's right.

Like, and, and I think that's the
other kind of maybe disconnect that

I had is in that such a cartoon feel.

And again, not in a pejorative sense, but
it's such a cartoon feel, but it's not.

And, and it it's in this weird space.

Trey: Yeah.

Well, I'll have more to say on this.

Once we get into the last important topic,
but you were zoning in on something that

I'm feeling definitely with this episode.

And you know, this will round
out my thoughts for this

Natasha's mission section.

I think I am more lukewarm on
this episode than most, and

that's not to say I don't like it.

Cause there are parts of
it that I do enjoy, but.

Keep going back and forth on
how I ultimately feel about it.

However, the scene that I think puts
me more on the positive side than

the negative is whenever Natasha was
in the library and she's doing kind

of the last bits of research before
discovering who is behind all of this.

There is genuine tension of watching her
kind of just looking over her shoulder.

And I think that moment solidifies
that despite my conflicted

feelings, this episode nailed the
emotional investment of the story.

So for all the hangups I may have about
tone and stuff like that, they're,

they're working effectively with stories.

Oh

Jude: yeah.

It was interesting for me on, on Natasha.

You know, she had that
line, who do I kill?

And my thought was like, well,
I guess she's not interested in

clearing her ledger, you know?

But at the same time,
it makes sense though.

When, when you, when you think of
the reaction to Martin's murder and

where we're at within phase one,

Trey: yeah.

At this point, she definitely
hasn't had that influence of Barton

believing that she can change.

Like it's still very early on in her

Jude: journey.

Well, you know, those little ripple
effects that spinning the web of the

Trey: multi-verse.

Yeah.

I think that's going to round out
our Natasha's mission section, which

will leave us with the assassin
as our next most important topic.

So this is going to deal with the
revelation that it was Hank Pym,

who was exacting revenge on shield
for the death of his daughter.

So starting with me this time.

I got to say, Michael Douglas, I think
might be the NVP of this episode.

Oh, absolutely.

So much of this episode hinges
on the mystery of the murders.

And even after getting to that moment
where you can piece it together

in the library, the reveal of Hank
Pym is as satisfying as it is for

me because of Michael Douglas has,

Jude: oh, it was really good.

It was it.

And what's interesting is I keep
going back to this idea of like, it

feels like a cartoon, the way the
lines are delivered and everything.

It didn't feel that way for me when
Michael Douglas, his performance,

Trey: not at all.

And even with his sillier
lines, it still feels authentic.

Jude: Yeah, it was, it was really good.

I liked that he was in the yellow
jacket suit, but with the helmet.

Yeah, that

Trey: was really good.

And you know, it, it makes sense that
PIM would be pushed to this edge after

the loss of his daughter, because
he was already skirting the line

of legality in the ant man movies.

Like he was clearly okay with breaking
the law for things that he deemed

just, and that was just being on
the fringe of his daughter's life.

Now that she's completely
gone and he has no one left.

Of course, he's going to devolve
into this deranged supervillain

that he becomes in this.

Jude: Yeah.

Uh, this was this, this was the surprise
that the challah star Lord should have

been, but without, but they showed it.

Trey: I got ya.

So, you know, I mentioned it in the
previous section about having more to say

about the feeling of it being a cartoon.

The first two episodes.

I think we really talked about the
positives of what the animation brought.

So for example, in the first episode
we mentioned, they were really able to

flex the super soldier serum for Peggy.

Uh, and the second episode,
it allowed us to extend.

Believability to something like a pacified
Thanos and this episode, I think this

is where I felt the animation hurt the
episode more than the previous two.

And it was really in that moment where
we saw Nick fury fighting Hank Pym.

So.

Obviously the payoff of the moment is
that it's not fury, it's actually Loki

disguised as fury, but because the tone
of this episode is so all over the place.

I honestly didn't know if the episode
was asking me to buy in that, like Nick

fury had his, I can do this moment.

And now he's just like all over the
place doing flips and fighting and

he could have done this all along.

Or the actual moment was like,
no, he's just teamed up with Loki.

Yeah.

It feels distracting.

It's not bad.

And I think if you do this in live
action, there is a moment where you can

kind of be like, oh, okay, I get it.

But I can't tell which way
they want me to go with that.

Jude: Yeah.

Cause my first watch, I was like, okay,
if you read your bad-ass all right.

And then once you started it, you
know, it was like, I can believe that.

And then, but once he started
doing like the other stuff, I'm

just like, so he's an ex man.

Trey: Nick fury was a mutant right

Jude: there.

And then, and then when they hit
the icicles, like, okay, it's

low-key, you know, and so, yeah,
I completely understand there.

I mean, my single note on that is
still not a fan of the animation style.

Um, I'm just not, and I
won't be, and that's okay.

Trey: And that's yeah, that's fine.

So, and, and, and just to highlight
the T like, it feels bad cause like I'm

not, not liking it, I'm enjoying these,
but there is this feeling of the tone.

Like you have this super serious
moment, like who do I kill?

And then you have a moment with Colson.

Oh man.

He smells like lavender whenever
he's sniffing a dead body.

And it's just like, I, it
feels like whiplash sometimes

between these episodes and.

It is attributed like they're tackling big
stories and less than 30 minute chunks.

Yeah.

But that was one of the negatives I had.

I do want to bring it back to a
positive by saying we now have two

entries where fury isn't actually fury.

And in both cases, Samuel Jackson does an
amazing, subtle job with making that work.

So for instance, you don't know it
until you watch it in hindsight, but

there was clues to it not really being.

Uh, whenever fury quote unquote
is talking to Hank Pym and he's in

Pimms, like accusing them for being
over the grave of his daughter.

Fury says something like,
oh, don't worry about her.

She's dead.

She won't mind.

And it was just like at first
I was like, man, this is a very

harsh line to come from fury.

And then he has another one he's
like, I never cared about any of them.

And it doesn't make sense
until you see him as low-key.

But I like.

Half of it is attributed to the writing
obviously, but Samuel Jackson, I

think really is selling those lines.

Yeah.

I thought the

Jude: same thing.

I was like, wow.

That's so what's he doing?

Is he trying to egg him on
trying to make a mistake here?

You know, kind of, kind of thing.

And then the second one.

Yeah, this is low-key of course.

Uh huh.

Trey: Oh yeah.

And you can even notice it in the
like, oh, her mother was an agent too.

Like there's genuine shock there or how
he always says everybody's first name,

like Hank Pym Anthony start Clint Barton.

Like he goes through everybody's name
because he doesn't know these people.

He was just given the
information to make this work,

Jude: right?

Yeah.

That's a good catch on
the, on the dialogue

Trey: there.

Yeah.

So there.

Care taken to the fact that it's
not actually fury and I guess

they've had practice after far from

Jude: home scroll.

Uh, I just want to circle back to
one thought about the whole murder

mystery thing, the way Natasha said
it's hope it was hope all along that

I immediately thought hope van Dyne
like, there was no question, you know,

and then it was just, it was kind of
like, okay, why are you dragging your

feet of fury should pick up on this?

You know?

But that was a really good misdirect.

Cause I thought hope was
the killer, you know?

Yeah.

Trey: Yeah.

Even when she was on the
computer, you see hope van Dyne.

No, no, you don't.

You see a Janet van Dyne and she, she
makes that line of like, how does a person

who died two years ago, access files.

So, yeah, I definitely felt
that misdirect with you.

That was my thought.

So with the assassin important topic
out of the way, we're going to go

ahead and jump into our last important
topic, which is simply fear resources.

So when the episode ends, we see
that Loki decides to take over earth

anyway, and fury is left without any
of the original Avengers, which allows

him to give this speech about the
ideas still being alive and finding

new Avengers to take their place.

So, uh, do, do you have any
place you'd like to start there?

Jude: It's still within the
week, Loki made quick work.

Without the oven.

Right.

You know, it was like, what now,
next day, he's at the UN Neil, you

will mint to be ruled and I'm your
ruler, whatever the speech is.

Trey: Thank you.

My loyal subjects.

Jude: Um, I do like though
that they did acknowledge

Carol, like that was an option.

Trey: Yeah, they really, they got to plant
that seed and have the moment of like

fear of being like, no, I can do this.

And then by the end, it's like, but we're
going to bring Carol Danvers in any way.

And then, I mean, it's like, yeah,
you've got like the heaviest of hitters.

Jude: So he made the same mistake, right?

Not calling Carolyn sooner.

Trey: So maybe the what if is,
what if Nick fury wasn't Eric.

Jude: That would be short episode.

Oh man.

Captain Marvel is here and I
feel like we're talking bad.

I love captain Marvel.

I loved the movie.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

But the ridiculous power set.

It's like, dude, what are you doing?

Use the pager.

Trey: Well, we got close to this time.

Maybe in another if episode, but
circling back, I do want to highlight,

you talked about how quickly Loki
took over without the Avengers.

It's a fun call back to the low-key
series, where Mobius was very dead set on.

You are there to inspire the others
to reach their great potential.

And so in this universe where they're
not there low-key gets to have

everything he wanted, which is nice.

Jude: Yeah.

Oh, that would be neat if
like, like, uh, oh, well here's

where it would it be possible.

Okay.

So it would be neat if they did
this, but I'm glad they didn't.

And I hope, you know, you
know, those like how it should

have ended shorts on YouTube.

What I want to see is a one of these,
this episode or how it should have ended

where like miss minutes and the TVA
shows up, the moment stark is killed.

Hey, Pam gets approved.

That would be fun.

Trey: Okay.

So I'm going to bring this up.

This was a discussion that I was having
with leech, and this is her theory.

So I don't want to take credit
for this, but you just spurred

something in my mind to click.

She mentioned that, like we said, the
first episode, very clearly defined.

Second episode, less clear,
third episode, even less clear.

She brought up the idea of what
if something's going on behind the

scenes that we're not privy to yet.

And that's why things are getting
more chaotic to which I told her.

I was like, maybe we are watching
the exponential expansion of

a multiverse because this is
taking place after the threshold.

And that could also explain.

Why the watcher is that much more curious
and what's going on and why these are

less defined because these are the things.

These are the potentials that could
happen, but the TVA always came in

and now they're not coming in and
they're getting more and more wild.

Now

Jude: I will say that these have to
be separate universes each episode.

And the only reason why I say that is
rather than be connected is we see the

frozen cap before Carol James shows up.

And we know that, um, we have captain

Trey: Carter.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's a great point.

These are conflicting
timelines at that point.

Yeah.

You know, coming back to this idea of
it being furious resolve so much of

this episode is exploring that furious
idea is more than just the heroes

who compromise the prime timeline.

And so it makes me happy that
this episode is book-ended with.

Fury starting the episode by practicing
the speech that we're all familiar with.

And then by the time we get to the end
of the episode, he's delivering a new

one with a more full-throated confidence.

So that's just a fun tie in from
start to finish regarding that idea.

And you can even see it because.

Almost exactly at the halfway point,
fury is doubting his belief in the idea

when they're in the coroner's office.

And he goes, there was an idea and he
was kind of just exacerbated by it.

So again, very, just great
pacing of all their story beats.

Yeah.

And one last thing that I wanted to
touch on for again, for all of the

quibbles I may have with this episode,
it really, it, it, it broke through,

I think, to a core of something
that I wasn't really expecting.

There was the line that fury has, where
we see the caskets of the vendors or

the, uh, candidates for the Avengers
since they never really formed.

And he delivers that line
of, they were an idea.

The affirmation of humanity's need
to believe that in our darkest

hour, we will find our heroes.

And then that's followed up with the
watcher, talking about how, as long

as somebody keeps their good eye on
the big picture, hope never dies.

And, you know, we mentioned how
this was a very dark episode.

I love that they brought it back to this
uplifting place with those last hero or

that last one, two punch of a delivery.

And, you know, and, and opening up
a little bit, like clearly the MCU

has become like an escape for me.

Like, I love these
stories because of that.

You know, superhero fantasy of like
clinging on to a larger idea of hope.

And I don't know, it, it, it,
it, it hit me in a way I wasn't

expecting by the end of this episode.

So I do appreciate

Jude: it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you're right.

They were able to end on such an ominous
feeling with low-key, but able to tie

it together with some sense of hope.

You're right.

That was really good.

So it was hope all along
rather than Agatha.

Oh my gosh.

I'm on fire.

Oh, my God, you weren't.

I know this was probably still going
to be in the edit, but when the, all

the stuff that's probably going to be
cut out where you said, man, I like it.

That you're Luby.

And I, because that's what
you get, you're saying.

Trey: I've never felt so conflicted
in someone tooting their own horn.

While me also you're appreciating the
song of the horn that was playing.

I liked your joke, but the speed
at which you said I'm on fire.

It was amazing too.

Okay.

So how do we get back to this?

Jude: Uh, there we go to a straight
thought I was getting to stray thoughts.

Okay.

Trey: So that's going to do it for
the most important topics, but we're

going to round this episode off
with some of our straight thoughts.

So, Jude, do you have any stray
thoughts for these episodes?

Jude: Uh, I liked the shot
with the watcher in the clouds.

I thought that was nice.

Yeah.

The line, probably not going to
work out for anyone, a little

nod to the Avengers from banner.

I loved that.

Uh, I did think it was a nice use
of Loki's powers though in the.

The way they just showed him
off in the duplicating or

whatever, however, he defined it.

And low-key your theory of, are
we seeing the shield too much?

We see it again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was just there.

And I thought it was cool that, you know,
you and Colson had the same password.

Trey: I had a friend texted me.

Uh, he was like, Hey, tell me
when you seen the episode and AZ

and I didn't watch it till late.

So it was like an evening
when I finally texted him.

And I was like, Hey, I've seen it.

I've seen it.

And he just put, I heard skis and
I was like, yep, I'm changing all

my passwords now I've been outed.

Jude: Oh, that's so funny.

Kevin fight you super fan.

He must've hacked your computer.

Yeah.

Getting

Trey: docs by Kevin FYGI.

What are your straight thoughts?

You know, you, you hit on one of
them with the shot of the watcher.

I wanted to wrap it up and all of
this, regardless of the animations.

I think the way they are composing these
shots in this season is outstanding.

You mentioned the one with the watcher.

Uh, I love the one where furious
standing as the shield truck drives

away with, uh, Natasha, uh, the
reflection of fury and Colson as

Barton is sitting against the wall and.

The shot.

I don't know if this is the one
you were talking about, but the,

uh, the one over the San Francisco
bridge where the watch was just on

looking, um, really, really well done.

Jude: No, actually I was thinking
of the one when Colson was driving

back with his double mocha.

Yeah.

But no, you're right.

One was the bridge.

Trey: Um, I touched on this a little bit.

The sniffing joke is weird.

I get like, I don't know the dudes
dead one with like, I don't know

why they needed to show calls

Jude: and snippets.

And I know, I know they're trying to
play off, you know, the God-man infinity

war thing, but it it's just weird.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't, I don't think it landed
how they, how they hoped it would,

Trey: or at least for me,
and definitely me too.

Uh, my last string

Jude: all as guardian smell
of lavender upon death,

Trey: I think that that's
an episode for another day.

Oh man.

My last stray thought.

Ben so much time talking about
voice acting and the effectiveness

of different characters.

I think this is the first
time where Loki's voice acting

far outpaced the animation.

And so we've seen it where
like the acting didn't live up.

For example, in, in my opinion, Bucky,
uh, we've seen it where it's in sync

with Michael Douglas and Hank Pym, but
there was so much more emotion in Tom

Huddleston's voice as low-key in a very
stilted animation of the character.

Jude: Yeah.

I completely agree with you.

Trey: Yeah.

So it was, it was, we're getting,
we're getting the gambit of

results when it comes to animation,

Jude: when we've just finished watching
six episodes of Loki and what he

went through and what Tom Hiddleston
gave us, you know, including the

documentary assemble documentary.

So, you know, I wonder is
this going to get sense?

Trey: That would be a very
interesting assembled if we get it.

I hope we do.

Jude: Yeah, I do too.

I'm really enjoying this.

Trey: So, yeah, these were our
thoughts on season one, episode,

three of what if, what if the
world lost its mightiest heroes?

This episode was written by AC
Bradley and Matthew Chauncey

and directed by Brian Andrews.

But we want to hear your stray thoughts.

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Yeah.

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You can find more of his
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That's going to do it for this episode.

Thank you so much for listening and
thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you tray.

We'll see you all next one.

Oh man.

I had a sparkling water.

I just burped out.

Jude: Well, I'm not so tired.

Good timing.

I don't know.

I know why.

Okay.

I woke up in the middle
of the night last night.

Oh, that sucks.

Yeah.

Got it.

Trying to get a bed.

I got a cramp in my car still sore today.

Uh, that

Trey: sucks.

I hate.

Get an old, uh, okay.

Uh, so are we going to do
another call to action before

we jump into the spoiler zone?

Jude: Hmm.

Is this something we want to do every
episode or kind of alternate it?

Trey: Um, last week we did it,

Jude: well, I don't know what
I'm asking because I'm not sure

what would be most effective.

Trey: Um, let's do it.

Okay.

And if we have a guest on, we'll
skip it that week regardless, and

then just start the pattern over.

Are

Jude: we having a guest next week?

Cause if we are, we can go ahead

Trey: and do it.

Uh, we were supposed to have this
week, but he couldn't make it.

And so we never, this was during
last week where we didn't really

have a lot of communication, so I
just never got to schedule anything.

We can try.

Is that a straw?

That's a straw.

Jude: I had my drink.

I'm readjusting the
straw so I can drink it.

Oh my God.

Trey: I want a super cut of all
your drinks throughout the EMC.

You need to know

Jude: history.

I'm like stark.

Stark's always eating.

I'm always drinking.

That sounds bad.

I always have a drink.

How fitting I'm like stark.

I'm always drinking.

Yeah.

Trey: That might not be the comparison.

You

Jude: know, it was a night.

Trey: Oh, I'm glad you caught it though.

Oh, I think we jump into this

Jude: way.

Okay.

Let's do that.

Okay.

We had trouble getting into the
spoiler zone last week, too, but okay.

Trey: I know maybe what if is, what
if Trey forgets how to transition?

Jude: No kidding.

Wow.

Okay.

Like, you've been complaining about
your transitions this whole time.

Trey: I know, but usually that's
room for encouragement now.

You're doing great.

Now.

Jude: I'm just it's you can't,
you can't listen to me right now.

You gotta ignore me.

Trey: Okay.

All right, here we go.

I'm going to get us into the spoilers.

Jude: Oh, I didn't hit
pause on the recording.

So we're now at like an hour

Trey: you did or didn't didn't yeah,

Jude: that's fine.

That's what I meant.

When I say pause.

On the stopwatch.

So I got you.

That's now useless.

Trey: That's fine.

Listen, we've crossed the threshold.

We no longer need the stopwatch.

All right.

Ooh, look, we went, what 40
episodes before we had a stopwatch?

I think we'll be fine.

Uh, so I think all I got to
do is just say like, that's

going to do it for Fury's big.

What is

Jude: with your tray?

I'm at the end, I'm at the bottom.

I'm trying to get him milking
it for all it's worth.

Oh, God,

Trey: I'm fine with that.

It feels like you're slurping it right

Jude: into the mind.

Cause there's a mic hanging right
off my ear with the earbuds.

And so it was like right by the straw.

Yeah.

I can't talk right now
because the ice in my mouth.

Oh man.

Trey: I know you said, don't
listen to you at this point.

I am glad you're very loopy.

Jude: I don't know why I'm so loopy.

Trey: This, this feels like
a glimpse of what it would be

like for you to do the 24 hours.

Jude: Yeah, I can imagine that.

Trey: All right.

Let me, uh, let me wrap up that
important topic and we'll jump in.