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Leech: Hello and welcome back to another
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Daniel: I'm Daniel

Leech: and I am Leech.

Daniel: How are you doing Leech?

Leech: Well, I'm doing great.

I could not believe it is already
time to talk about this episode.

It felt like such a long time
in between Loki and now, but

really it went in a flash.

Daniel: Oh, absolutely.

I totally agree.

Um, I'm still riding the high from Loki.

I think I'm still, I've been listening
to different podcasts responses and

then all of a sudden, what if is here?

And, um, I'm, I'm excited.

I'm ready to, I'm ready to
start something new for sure.

For sure.

I'm, I'm really excited too, about
this little bit of a, a break from

the intensity of the shows, having
these little segments that are.

A bit easier to digest.

Uh, I don't feel like I necessarily
need to study every second

of it, but I still do anyway.

Uh it's it's just kind of a
nice break and I think it's

gonna, it's gonna be a fun ride.

I really do think so.

Yeah.

I agree that the stakes
it's it's, it's really fun.

You know, I've talked about this before,
uh, on the show, but I always love

the, what if comics way back when, and
I always liked thinking about that,

you know, what if this character had,
you know, had gone a different way or

whatever, but at the same time, you
know, it's a different, it's just a

different format as the anthology.

It's I don't want to say the stakes aren't
high, but it's, it's, you know, I think

you said it best sleep when you were
like, you, you don't, you don't feel like

you have to dissect everything in there,
all of these implications and stuff.

It's like, here's a story too on it.

Enjoy.

I kind like that.

Leech: You it, and think
about the possibilities.

Yeah.

It's, it's been great because.

I'm just a theorize or, I mean
I'm after watching this episode.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you didn't know, um, if you didn't
know, but, uh, it's been nice to just

kind of have that to build off of.

It's like having a brand new Lego
set, it's like, Ooh, new pieces.

So it's been really fun, especially
some things that, you know, we kind

of knew were going to happen from
the promos, but at the same time, We

didn't know exactly what was going
to happen, how so is, is really fun.

It's really fun to come up
with some new ideas and get the

creative juices flowing for sure.

Daniel: Yeah.

I think we're kind of already
at our pre spoiler thoughts.

So, um, if you had to like capture.

Capture that in, like, in like a
word, what do you, what, what did you

think about the episode pre spoiler,

Leech: like a roller coaster,
but not in the way that

rollercoasters traditionally used.

It felt like I was that the front of
the, the train car kind of thing on

the rollercoaster, my head smashed
against the back of the seat.

And it's going so fast that
I'm just trying to hold on

and keep on and, oh my gosh.

Okay.

Okay.

What's next?

What's next?

What's happening.

And it, it was fast.

Yeah.

It was, I couldn't look away.

I couldn't feel my eyes off
the screen, which is great.

Not a lot.

I can do that with all the
media that's out right now.

I mean, constantly, just media everywhere.

You know, you're out constantly
multitasking for this.

Focused and I couldn't take my eyes away.

That's awesome.

Daniel: That's awesome.

Yeah.

I, I watched it twice and it took me,
uh, just if I'm being honest, took me

to the second time to really enjoy it.

Um, and I'm not really sure why the first
time I think it was, I just felt, I didn't

realize how much the old attachment.

That you know, are present from
the great love that we have for the

MCU, how much they would pull at
me while the episode was going on.

And it wasn't until say the second
watch where I could kind of let

that stuff go and really start to

Leech: enjoy it.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, there, there are definitely
moments like, but, but this

is supposed to happen next and
you just gotta be like, Nope.

Yeah, let it go.

Yeah, let it, yeah.

I found, I found myself, um, I
thought about my toddler because.

We've definitely reached the why
phase and yeah, and I felt like,

what, what, what now what's happening?

Huh?

Like the whole time, like, oh yeah.

Now what?

Like the whole entire time.

And that's great.

That's what I, that's what
I think it was set to do.

Supposed to get you to think, I think
it was supposed to get your, your brain

ready for what's going to happen next.

Yeah.

So with that, do you have any, uh,
remaining pre spoiler thoughts?

Or can we head on into the spoiler zone?

You ready?

All right.

Let's do it with a spoiler zone.

We're going to play an audio cue.

And on the other side, it'll be fair
game for all spoilers in the MCU.

So we'll see you on the other side,

and we are going to break this up into
the most important topics of the episode.

Uh, Daniel, would you like to start?

Yeah.

Daniel: So the first topic
that we've identified.

Um, which we, we agree is probably going
to be a pattern going forward in these.

What if episodes we'll see, cause we've
only seen the first one, but, uh, and

that is the choice, you know, in this
one, we're going to focus on the, that,

that small little moment when, um, agent.

Makes that choice that we remember
from captain America, the first

Avenger to remain in the, uh, the
area where Steve is getting the super

serum, rather than going upstairs.

I got to say, I actually vivid.

I vividly remember this scene.

And thought it was, it was interesting.

It was like one of those little moments
when it's like you, do you remember leach?

D did they, in, in the first Avenger
and the captain America movie,

did they ask a bunch of people
to go upstairs or is it just,

Leech: yeah, so I was actually going back
and forth and rewinding and reminding,

trying to capture like who everyone was.

And like, did the doctor dire or
not, like I was trying to kind of

go back and see all like everything.

Cause I have not rewatched
it since the episode dropped.

Cause it's only been a day, but
um, I want to go to watch captain

America again, because I feel
like everyone was up in the box.

Yeah.

Daniel: Yeah.

And, and maybe she made the
decision, which kept everyone down.

Leech: Was it the polite thing to do at
the time if the lady stays kind of thing?

Because I did think it was very weird.

They all stayed, but it
could've just been a, okay.

I guess we're staying here and not
going up, which I think is kind of

crazy because they made a really
big point of like safety goggles.

Daniel: Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

I forgot to check your goggles.

Yeah.

Nobody wants to have to go in those hoops

Leech: and then maybe it
was just one of those.

I mean, they weren't quite
ready yet for Steve though.

So maybe we just caught it
at that moment of like, okay.

We're about to just like, for
real usher, everyone else up.

Cause it kind of felt like that weird
point, but then the bomb was in that.

Her saying that might've been
the distraction that the bomber

needed to place the bomb next
to the feet of the professor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just that just might've just worked out
like the minute she held that two more

seconds of his attention, nobody was
looking, they're all looking at her.

The bomb was placed then.

Yeah, no you're right.

That could have been it.

So it was like, yeah.

It's like two different decisions that
happened at roughly the same exact time.

That really determined

Daniel: what I like is, um, just how.

Kind of ordinary.

The decision is, you know, the writers
kind of use this to split off this, this

really interesting story, you know, and
there's a little bit of, it's a, I mean,

a little bit farfetched farfetched,
um, with the, uh, with the, uh, you

know, there's like fire and it's like,
We're going to lose the whole project.

And I'm like, really like, okay.

Yeah.

Leech: But you'll fire suppressant,
uh, quality, like OSHA back then.

But uh,

can I something, I think this
Peggy is the one that says no more.

What do you mean?

So in our original MCU, we have
the Peggy that's like, okay.

Yeah, I'm docile.

I'm going to go upstairs.

Like, you know, she still has her Peggy.

She sells her agent card.

But maybe this one was just like,
no, I'm done with your crazy

weird sexist microaggressions.

I'm staying because I'm
here for this and powers.

Howard's like my bro.

And I'm here for this plus
Steve and I are close.

Like, no.

So that was just that weird
split-second decision of I'm

going to say no at this point.

Yeah.

And I feel like I can get
away with it because I've got

several allies in this room.

Yeah, no, one's

Daniel: going to tell me and, and I agree.

That's the vibe.

I remember from the movie,
like, like it's safer up there.

The women belong up there, you know?

And then the guy, so the, the, the, the,
uh, the awful sexist general guy, right.

Who's played by the actor from the
Hulu series, the Handmaid's tale.

He plays a significant, so you
know who I'm talking about.

He's awesome.

And he's a really good
actor and he is, he is.

Kevin America, I believe

Leech: so.

Is he.

I'm pretty sure Flynn is, was it Colonel
Flynn thing is Colonel Flynn in yeah.

Colonel Flint in this,

Daniel: he plays such a jerk.

Um, and just like every it's like,
what could we have him say that

we'll just, just like rankle people.

Oh gosh, I don't see him.

I'm looking through IMDV right now.

I don't see him in, um, Bradley.

Well, I don't see them in,
um, the captain America movie,

Leech: apparently Tommy, uh, Tommy
Lee Jones originally played him.

So that was the one that's
like with character.

Yeah.

So apparently that's the
one that tossed the grenade.

And what did he want to see that grenade?

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

So I did not get.

I just found that out, looking it up.

I did not get that from
the animation at all.

I couldn't exactly remember.

I don't remember.

I don't recall.

I don't remember him being the,
maybe, maybe in that random moment of

defiance in front of all his peers, he
was a little irritated at her little

Daniel: white, little, little,
you know, male fragility,

Leech: man.

You hate to see it,

Daniel: but, um, but yeah,
they only it on thick, so, um,

Leech: it's, it's pretty much.

The entire anything agent Carter has
been in and all that sexism compressed

into like a 20 minute episode.

Like, just so you, you remember,
like this was a bad time.

This was not fun, little romp in, you
know, like a fun captain America outfit.

This was, this was not the best time.

So it kind of gave that context too for
Peggy to be like, I'm done, I've had it.

Every single one of you, I'm
also six inches taller than y'all

Daniel: now.

So, so, but, but even there it's
like, you don't need, it was at stark.

It was like, you don't need heels anymore.

Like, by the way, there's
dead people lying around you.

Leech: One writers.

Just so perfect.

Oh my gosh.

They were so car,

Daniel: what are you doing?

Leech: What are you doing?

Don't mind me just, I'm just watching.

Oh my gosh.

So then we have, we have
captain Carter then.

So this leads us to captain Carter.

Yeah, it was interesting.

Howard's like, Hey, how's it going?

And then we have this general, this.

Or the Colonel who's just like, this
is the worst thing that could've ever

happened in the universe of anything.

Yeah.

I think that was to be expected as, yeah.

But a lot, like, you know, Steve
seemed pretty cool with it.

I mean, Steve was also gravely
wounded at that point, but they had

their PT moment right after and they
still seemed like just a team as

they were, you know, they were roles

Daniel: reversed.

And very consistent, you know, it was

Leech: consistent to the
content of their character.

For sure.

Daniel: Yeah.

That's what I, that's what I mean.

Definitely.

Leech: Yeah.

I, I really appreciated that
there was no like, oh no.

Is this going to put a
strain on their relationship?

Because they're opposite sizes now?

Like what would, what would
that have done for anyone?

So that was really fun to see.

Daniel: It's the same old, Steve.

Leech: Steve Steve's always
been Steve, no matter what.

I really hope people took that.

Like, people understood that, like,
this is kind of a big deal, you know,

like Steve could have been mopey.

He's like, I don't really want
to work for my country and, you

know, do what I can and do my part.

And he could have just become
an alcoholic after that.

I don't know.

So it was just.

It was just really cool to see.

I'm trying to

Daniel: think the speech to kind
of like, cause we were supposed to

be talking about captain Carter,
but like we started talking about

Steve and, but that's okay though.

But like I, we were, when we were
talking before we were recording, I

said something about how like, Like
when I first watched this, I didn't

have as good of an experience, you
know, in the, like, you know, the MC

fanatic and me was like, shame on you.

You need to enjoy everything.

Always that MCU puts out.

And so I was thinking about it,
thinking about it, and I was just

kind of hung up on, um, like letting
go of like, I love captain America.

I love and, and, and kind
of letting that go, um, was.

I guess kind of it sat with
me more than I expected.

Um, and it wasn't until I
watched the second time that I

really just let the show happen.

And I really enjoyed the character of
captain Carter and kind of saw her.

In her kind of unique character as
something of something new, you know,

uh, than, than what even it, the
characters consistent with agent Carter.

She's got some great lines.

Oh yeah.

But, um, but it's just a unique take on
the kind of super soldier captain Carter.

Um,

Leech: what did you think?

I mean, I loved it because I feel like
that was definitely a situation where.

Agent Carter, captain Carter, agent
Carter has been, you know, treated

like junk as we could tell from just
any instance of her being in anything

outside of, uh, what end game.

But, um, cause at that point, you know,
she was older and, you know, had respect

when we had that, that moment in time when
we had to go get more pin particles, but.

I just feel like it was kind of a
situation where Peggy's like, oh good.

Now I'm armed the way I feel
like now I gain your respect.

And unfortunately it took all this
and, you know, super soldier serum.

But, um, I was bad-ass before
then, but now you'll see it

because it's in your face.

So that was just, it just felt
right in a way to like that.

Both versions of Peggy were
like how I think of her.

Like, I've always thought of her
as a superhero because she always

tried to stick up for herself, but
within the limitations of our time,

unfortunately, but it was just
really cool to see and it felt right.

No,

Daniel: I, I, I totally, yeah.

And, and, and, and to be able to.

Like she's like captain
Carter sounds nice.

You know, she's like, you're
going to call me captain Carter.

I don't care if you're a

Leech: hurdle or whatever.

And that kinda ties into the whole, like,
you know, she's done, she's done with

the crazy, like the microaggression,
any kind of sexism stuff everywhere.

She's just like, I'm
I can say what I want.

Yeah.

And it's because I have something to say
like, yeah, the captain comment, I was

like, the captain has a nice ring to it.

Daniel: Or like when she, when she goes,
uh, when she goes into, uh, to break,

you know, Bucky in the, in the team
out, and I can't remember his name,

but he's like, he's like, oh, damn, Uh,
you know, fight now and he's like, yep.

And then she just rips the door
and he's like, what are you?

The queen of England?

And she rips the gate off and that's it.

Like, she didn't say anything.

She just ripped the door

Leech: off, punch like
three guards after that.

And then there's like the Bucky comment
and then the ripping of the thing off.

And they're just like awestruck
and horrified at the same time.

Daniel: But that's like, what?

To, to your point though,
like that's Peggy Carter.

With like super soldier serum.

It's like, yup.

It's like, it's it's what did they say?

Um, you know, the, the, um, the doctor
he takes the man or the woman and it

amplifies, you know, what's inside.

Well, we

Leech: learned that in
Falcon, in the winter soldier.

Now it didn't mean, yeah.

I mean that just, and that was
another thing like, oh, this serum

back then worked on kind of anyone.

Like, we kind of already knew that, but
that kind of confirmed it and that's.

Again, solidifies the statement of
it enhances who you actually are.

Like that's a big deal.

So the fact that we still
had agent Carter was amazing.

Daniel: Yeah, I had, I mean,
her just cause we're on captain

Carter, her I'm like her.

She had some great lines like, uh, um,
you mind if I have a go, like she's

going, she's literally sprinting next
to a motorcycle and she looks at him

and she says, you mind if I have a gun?

She kicks him off, you know,
um, just the humor in general

was silly and, and, and spot on.

I thought,

Leech: yeah, there was definitely
that, that moment that really stuck

with me was when she was told, um,
this doesn't concern you, you're lucky

to even be in the room and then she
twists it and says the same thing back

to the Colonel, um, at the very end.

And I'm just like, oh, she,
she knew exactly what she was.

She was saving that one.

She was talking about that one.

She's getting ready for bed and
brushing her teeth in the room.

Like until you, like, she
S that stuck with her.

And I think that's another, another point.

Yeah.

That was all hitting her so hard and
still she maintained her characters.

Crazy.

I'm just going to keep talking about
that, cause it's just, it's impressive.

It's a cartoon guys.

I'm invested.

If you couldn't tell this means a lot.

This is, this is a female superhero
giving, given this crazy huge

mantle of captain Carter or captain
America is now captain Carter and

it's it's, it's really cool to see.

Yeah,

Daniel: it fits the definitely is great.

Leech: So with captain card, Now
we have Steve, who's just kind

of like, I want to help still.

So he's still Steve, so he's still Steve.

And then we get, we ended up getting
the Tesseract, which is kind of nuts.

And can

Daniel: you, that detail alluded me?

How did they just have it?

Leech: So before I'm trying to think.

So the initial plan from red
school I think, was to make a

bomb out of it and New York.

They intercepted early though, because
they didn't make captain America,

captain Carter do that, uh, that tour,
that the bonds tour, she just went

straight into action against order.

And

Daniel: so she intercepted in the car.

Right.

Okay.

Leech: Now, remembering they intercepted.

When did it was found out it
existed versus like, oh, you

know, we don't believe in captain.

America is not worth anything,
you know, bond stores and whatnot.

And she just like, boom, I got it.

Bam on your desk.

And be like that set off
another chain right there.

Cause that changed.

His whole plan, I think was, was
the plan initially to open the gate?

No, it was a nuke.

Daniel: Oh no.

He made the gun.

That would the, he made all these
guns that like disintegrated people.

And then he, he integrated that technology
with the, with the bombs that he was going

to drop on all, all the major cities.

So, um, the change that
the plan totally changed.

Um, but I don't know.

Yeah.

I'm not really clear on when that
happened, but, um, but in any case,

you know, the test direct falls
into Howard Stark's hands and that's

what, you know, it accelerates the.

Hydro Stomper.

Leech: Yes.

Hydrus Stomper.

That was a name I'd never
thought I'd say, but it works.

It's exactly what it was and how wild.

Like when you see the T like Howard
grabbed that Tesseract, it's like, oh,

he's getting this how much time in advance
from when he last had it, you know?

And he has what ideas and
he's motivated by the war.

So, I mean, we end up with this,
this hydro Stomper, iron man suit.

That's, that's what it is.

Daniel: And, and like, is, is that
just off the rails or did, was Tony

stark, like w did these plans exist?

But there just wasn't I don't
know how well your iron man Lord.

Leech: So for context, I
don't have any comic lore.

I'm

Daniel: all seeing the
movie, I mean, in the movies.

So the

Leech: movies, so we have actually seen
Howard point to a point where he's like,

Hey, then I'm limited by the technology
of my time, but here's plan halfway done.

I'm sure that's not the only one
he had for that energy source.

So.

I'm sure.

Maybe, you know, daddy did some
doodles on napkins or something.

Like there was an idea there.

And I, that, that was my first thought is
like, this was an idea that was hatched.

Maybe it was mumblings
while he drove or something.

But, um, I think Tony's
idea came from somewhere.

Cause there's no way Tony's like I'm in
this, Dave, let me build an iron suit.

Like that's a good idea.

Um, so yeah, I, I liked that.

I liked that ideas Canon
of like, you know, Howard.

Blueprints getting dust somewhere
or, you know, doodling things of

something that stuck with toady.

Yeah.

Especially with the idea of
this mysterious power source

that Tony actually never saw.

So maybe, maybe dad talked about
that or left, left his, uh,

desk unlocked it a little bit.

And Tony was nosy.

I could see, I could see

Daniel: rifling through the
papers in the, in the briefcase.

Leech: Absolutely.

Absolutely.

But it, yeah, it was, it was almost
an identical model of that iron man.

Mark one.

Yeah.

So that was, that was really cool to see.

Also what was it made out
of if it was indestructible?

Because if they used all the, see, this
is where I start going off the rails.

If all the vibranium was in
the shield, then what the

hell was that made of out of?

Cause it got, it's

Daniel: a rock and fused metal.

Okay.

Leech: I mean, it's possible.

Oh boy.

I, yeah, I don't know.

I, that thing was crazy though.

And it was kind of nuts to see
Howard, like, I know exactly

what I'm doing with this.

It's all built already, so that happened
and it, it destroyed everything.

Didn't it?

At one point it crunched the,
um, the tank, it just like,

oh, like an aluminum can.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, that was, that was

Daniel: nuts.

Ripping stuff off.

I actually, that's a good, just
reminds me of the action in this.

Um, I thought it was fun.

I thought the, the, some of the
fight scenes were really fun, you

know, showing, um, captain Carter
going through a bunch of bad guys,

you know, a bunch of Hydra agents.

Um, and then that whole scene where
they're taking out all the tanks.

I really enjoy that.

I thought they action.

Leech: If it being an animated show,
but I feel like Peggy was brutal.

She was like, she punched
that guy in the knee cap.

Daniel: Oh, I love that scene.

Leech: It's was just like, I'm like,
dude, if you just wanted to choke people

for so long that you're just really
happy to finally be able to do it.

Like he broke his leg much more
hands-on than I feel like cap was.

Cause I feel like cap had a gun there
for a hot minute and she did have

that one moment with the gun when she
was letting all the prisoners out.

To look for that, but she's just like,
I like feeling the crunch under my

Daniel: fist.

But that the, uh, that that's one
moment of the episode where I remember

my wife is like, did they get a
bunch of Disney animators to do this?

Cause it was totally like a Gaston moment
when you know, he's like, Ooh, he's in.

And his face is all like cartoony.

I don't know if you pick that up.

Leech: Yeah.

Like that punch Pell kind of like, yeah.

Daniel: He's like, Ooh, I loved it.

I was like, yeah, it was

Leech: Disney.

It was a good mix of like
Archer style animation.

In like this comic book infused without
it feeling too much, either way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was, it was really nice.

Like, I, I, you know, as people
know, I'm not very, at all really

familiar with comic books, but I
know what they are, and I know what

some of the chokes are and some of
the images are, and I recognize it.

And I'm sure that those that
are very invested in the comics.

More than I ever did.

So

Daniel: I haven't read
the captain Carter stuff.

Um, but in terms of how the
animation they've made it, they made

interesting choices, um, to, to,
you know, the way the do and I'm

interested to see, I, I don't know.

I should probably do some research
and it's like, whether or not it's

the same animators every episode.

Um, if it's like, like there are,
there are other anthology animated

series that I've seen where the
animators are totally different.

And so you get a completely
different kind of Viagra visual.

Yeah.

Leech: Like if the directors are
different, if the animators are different.

Yeah.

Like it all could be.

Yeah, that's a good

Daniel: point based on the promos.

I don't think so.

At least for the first couple or whatever.

Um, but at least what we see with
captain Carter, you've got like the,

the 3d people figures, but at the
background is more two dimensional.

It's a little flatter and
it stays kind of stationary.

I enjoyed it.

Um, it might not be for everybody.

Lighting

Leech: was incredible.

I'm sorry.

Like, I don't know.

Like, some people are going to be like,
oh, the mouths were a little, you know,

this, no, I, I was there for the lighting.

That was crazy.

The colors.

It was rich, but it was also dark.

It stayed with the color palette of the
first Avenger, like, oh, That's beautiful.

Daniel: I hadn't thought about the mouths.

It all Vivek for me,

Leech: well, it's always going
to be weird, like video games,

cartoons, animated series mounts,
or weird mouths and eyeballs.

But I feel like people have figured out
eyeballs in the past, like 10 years.

So.

Daniel: So I guess that the last, the last
rabbit hole that none of these are really

rabbit holes, but this one is, especially
for you, leech is, um, is the, is the, the

new reality that we have now that, um, you
know, all, all these dominoes are falling.

So what do we think, like, what were
the things I guess, to, to kind of tap

into this topic, what are the things
that immediately jumped out to you?

Um, as you were watching her, as you're
thinking about it as it finished.

Oh my gosh.

What about this?

Oh my gosh.

What about this?

Leech: I want to know Steve's alive.

That that's kind of an honestly
good on them because that's all

I wanted to know at the end of
the first Avenger is Peggy alive.

So the fact that I still ended up with
that same feeling after 20 minutes.

Is very

Daniel: impressive.

That's remarkable.

I hadn't thought of that,
but you're absolutely right.

You know?

Leech: Yeah.

It carried the same weight.

It was nuts.

Daniel: Her response too, is like
we won the war, you know, it's

like, it's very much in line with
who captain is and then, and then

yeah, that emotional core, uh, those

Leech: cool.

Yeah, that was that, that
really stuck out to me.

But then it was also something that.

You know, in Rick, here I go.

You called it.

What happened with shield?

Because, okay, so you, you're
saying you never lost the Tesseract.

So you had the Tesseract this whole
time, and yet it took you until

modern day to open it back up.

Also, are we with shield at this point?

Because didn't Peggy like carry shield
for however long until she retired.

Daniel: Yeah.

Who like where, who, who did.

Yeah.

And then

Leech: did Howard even ever die?

Did Howard do it because technically
the winter soldier killed Howard?

No winter

Daniel: soldier.

Yeah.

I mean, there's no Bucky,
Bucky's not the winter soldier

Leech: old age or what?

Yeah.

So,

Daniel: so you don't, I mean, maybe
they find a different way to take out

Howard stark, but I mean, There's also
the, the, you know, all the questions

of like Hydra, um, in, in, in world, in,
in the, in the, in the main timeline,

I guess, or prime, um, you've got,
you've got Hydra kind of, you know,

running the show behind the scenes.

So, I mean, yeah.

Okay.

My, yeah.

Yeah.

Leech: You feel, you feel
fried cause that's how I met.

Oh my yeah.

Cause it just ripple effects.

Right?

Daniel: Yeah.

And that's just, that's just
in captain America land.

Um, you know, and, and I know they
kind of cross over because it was

stark, but like, there's an iron man.

There's already an iron man.

And so where does that,
where does that go?

What kind of the fact that
you brought up a good point?

It wasn't until 2000, whatever,
2012, when they were able to open

the test rack up, hasn't Howard
stark had it for 70 years, you know?

I mean, it, wasn't sitting
at the bottom of the ocean.

I guess he, he went and found it, so sure.

So he went and found it, but I

Leech: don't know.

I mean, you're going to have so
many people that were so like, okay.

Colson Colson was inspired by captain
America is just magically inspired

by, you know, captain Carter for
D Colson never was never a thing.

Cause shield was never a thing.

So yeah.

And it just starts

Daniel: fracturing, you know,
like part of the reason why

captain America was so memorable.

Was because he was a figure
for the us government to raise

money in the original timeline.

Right?

Like he was paraded around
for months and months.

And so all the kids bought his
comic books and his cars and

watches, movies and stuff like that.

And then he went and became a war
hero, Carter, captain Carter just.

She didn't do any of that stuff.

So, you know, did she, was she a part of
the popular imagination or was she just,

Leech: would that time
even let her be a hero?

That's a hurt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I hate it.

I feel like I'm kind of being a nag,
always coming back to the women thing, but

like, in this time it was really pivot.

Like it was a big deal, so it's
just, it's very impactful in my mind.

Yeah.

Maybe it was all under, you
know, they never said anything.

Oh yeah, there's this mysterious figure.

And you know, never existed after a while.

It was like she was gone.

So

Daniel: text, um, in, in text,
like so many people may comment.

You know, like so many people make
comments about her, uh, the fact that

she's a woman, um, and a soldier, a
soldier, what, you know, and then, um,

the other thing is too, whereas like
captain America, Steve Rogers goes down

with the plane in, in a dramatic way.

That story can be told
with captain Carter.

She a little disappeared through a portal.

Leech: Tentacle monster disappeared.

The giant sword.

Yeah.

It was like just like fun.

Yeah, no.

Yeah.

There's no way, but redeeming
point how I knew who she was.

Oh, that's true.

That's true.

That's captain.

So I have, I have a little bit of
faith that there's something out there.

Like I want that, you know, captain
Carter museum next to the hydro Stomper

and, you know, you can walk through.

And I mean that, I would love that if
that, if that was the case and I'm hopeful

just off of that one comment from, huh?

So with that being said, do
you have any stray thoughts?

I know we've gone down our like
little rabbit holes, but are there

any like lingering thoughts or
moments that you'd like to talk?

Yeah.

Daniel: Um, the, the big one that, that
I, I of didn't know where to fit it.

Cause it's, it's, it's, it's
just like a couple lines.

Right.

But it's, it's the way that the episodes.

Bookended with the watcher.

So, um, you know, Jeffrey Wright comes in
with his, his fantastic narrator's voice.

And then he talks about how the, the,
the, you know, the timeline isn't,

um, isn't linear, it's a prism.

And I just thought that was a
phenomenal image for understanding.

In a, in a global sense where we
are after low key in thinking about,

um, what's what what's going on.

You know, um, people have made comments
on social media and other places and

reported that, that what if is a part
of the MCU it's it's cannon to, to

kind of validate these characters
that we're going to be introduced

to, however that might shake out.

Um, and so what the watcher says
is very thought provoking to me.

Just this idea of a prism.

Like it's not, it's not even like
a branch, you know, and after

at the end of Loki, you've got
these branches all converging and

going off in different directions,
uh, prism is, is very different.

You know, you look through, and in that
prison, there's like countless numbers

of, of variations that shoot out, you

Leech: know?

Yeah.

Cause you can have like, oh, this person
branched here and that person branch

there or thing or whatever, but then they
met up and then they broke apart again,

like all of a sudden you have this.

Mosaic craziness going on.

I, I feel like this, this little
series is going to be a very gentle

hand-holding for people to understand
what we mean by multi-verse.

Because we're not joking.

And so this whole, I feel like all of
this is just going to be like, okay,

so we kind of explained it in Loki.

Um, but this, like, if you had a hard
time grasping that there, that's fine.

We're going to really explain it here.

And this is what we're talking about.

Daniel: That is thank you.

Oh my gosh.

That is, that is like, that's like light
bulbs are going off in my head right now.

It's like, it's like a.

It's like a, a primmer
for the multi-verse.

Yeah.

That's

Leech: that's, it's like, we're
not, we're not talking about like,

you know, these little things.

It's like, what if this, everything
we've done told you is a lie.

Daniel: It's this and this.

And this and this it's like yeah.

And Quicksilver.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Leech: Right.

Yeah.

So I feel like that's exactly
what they're trying to do.

And like, I see you Disney, like I see
what you're doing and I'm okay with

it because like I understood what we
were talking about in low-key like I

get it, but I'm really happy to see it.

I'm glad that it's illustrated.

Yeah.

It's, it's, it's right there for you.

I don't need to like lay in, lay in
bed in the middle of the night, just

thinking like, what if this happened?

Because as I do, it's like they
ran with it and they're doing it

and they're showing you exactly
what could happen in a moment.

Daniel: Yeah.

What if this happened?

What if, what if, what if I love it?

Okay.

How about that?

That's my one big stray thought.

Um, I've kind of dropped
in a couple other ones.

Um, love the Nick fury cameo.

I didn't expect that didn't expect that.

Um, and a pocket too, you
know, and you get Huck.

I had the line, um, that's captain
Carter, but you know, Nick fury

was like, I didn't expect that.

Um, but what about you?

Straight.

Leech: So I'm just like now what,
because this is kind of that

moment where like low-key appeared.

So it's like, what is the context
of this portal opening up?

Like, you know, is it, you
know, calamari lunch hour?

Like what's going on?

Like, why are we, are we looking into.

Is this is this Hydra taking over
shield and doing a covert project

to bring that lifeform back in.

Oops.

Ooh.

It's Carter.

Let's pretend we're good.

Like, I don't know.

So I'm sorry.

You're

Daniel: doing all kinds
of stuff right now.

Come back to earth leach.

Come back to her.

Oh my gosh.

Leech: Like, I, I just want to know,
like, I want more and I think I'm just

going to struggle with that because I'm
not going to really get more, unless

there's going to be like a cameo or

Daniel: something.

I mean, I.

I don't know.

I mean, who the heck knows, but
like, I, I wouldn't, I think

it's, it's, it's plausible.

I definitely think it's plausible
the actors there, you know, she's

like legit, real could do it and

Leech: give me more agent Carter.

I'll be happy, happy.

Like, that's all I want.

And I think that just like
brought that back up in my heart.

Like, I really want more of that.

Get more and more like more
like season one, season one.

That's great.

Let's let's do it.

But yeah, that, that's where that's
what, uh, The show left me at is

I just wanted more, which is good.

Daniel: Yeah.

Should leave you wanting more.

Leech: It should, if it's doing
its job, I also do want to

know if Steve's life like that.

I'm just going to keep bringing that up
because it's just still going up my heart.

I think he's probably
in that nursing home.

So,

Daniel: I mean, how old was Peggy?

Like 90 Peggy was old.

I mean, if he was like, if he was like
20, was he, was he like 18 or 19 or 20?

How old was

Leech: he?

He was older because he kept
trying to get into the military.

Daniel: Was it captain
Barnes was Barnes a captain.

I don't remember captain major.

I don't know.

I mean, but, or Sergeant Barnes,
Sergeant, it was Sergeant.

So he'd been in for a little while.

So, you know, he's probably
in his early twenties.

Um, and so fast forward, 70 years.

Yeah, he's old.

I think she was like 90.

That for some reason, that
number sticks out in my head that

Leech: Peggy was like, Steve
would die from a broken heart.

I'm sorry.

That's true.

Oh,

Daniel: it's like 24.

Oh gosh,

Leech: no, but, uh, I, I really,
it's probably going to be the

same situation Steve held on.

Maybe she'll.

Put together by Steve and Steve's gonna,
you know, oh, I had this long history

and yeah, you can hang out on my death
bed and kiss my niece or granddaughter.

Oh Lord.

That was in time.

Yeah.

We're going back in time.

That see.

Yeah.

If, if we, for some reason, get
some weirdness of like, oh, Hey,

remember back when cap went back
in time and didn't come back.

And then all of a sudden let's
like tie in all this multi-verse

I can't, I can't handle it.

Yeah.

I can't handle it.

That's I can't go back.

Um, it's been kind of hard too
with Falcon and winter soldier and

then this cause it's like, can we
just like, let Capco, is this it?

Cause like it's bringing up.

Like I miss him.

I love Falcon in the winter soldier.

I love the passing of the
mantle, but I miss him.

Daniel: Yeah.

And this one, this one kind of hit that.

I think that's part of the reason why.

As I was watching, I was like, I
was feeling sad because Steve's

all over this episode, you know,
he's like, he's all over it.

The whole team is back together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's, it's, he's Steve without the
super soldier serum and he's still Steve.

It's still him.

Um, and so I just, I just, uh,
I feel, you know, Steve did get

Leech: like really bitter near the end,
so it was like early optimistic, Steve.

Yeah.

Daniel: Steve post civil war.

Leech: Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was just like a good
old get the gang back together feeling,

and now we move on and it's okay.

And I feel like we're going to probably
see a lot of that in this series.

I think there's going to be a lot of
moments where we're going to hit that.

Um, especially in the upcoming black.

Daniel: Yeah.

That's going to be exciting.

Um, yeah, that's good.

Oh, I can't even, I don't
want to think about that.

Yeah.

I can't think about that.

Leech: Dark notes.

Any other stray thoughts?

Nope.

Daniel: Nope.

Nope.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Leech: Wow.

You know what?

I do have one, was there
anything else you wanted to see?

I mean, outside of like the, what
could happen after, you know, was there

anything else that kind of happened
in that timeframe that you kind of

wish we were able to glimpse upon?

Daniel: Um, let me see, I guess like what,
like, you kind of know what happened.

Um, after Steve disappears.

With, you know, agent Carter and,
you know, shield and, you know,

you know, that things that things
developed and happened in that I

would like to see how, like, what that
history looks like in this universe.

And we've touched on that
already, but I think that would

be, I think that would be cool.

I also thought that, um, the
red skull was a little under,

under D he was just underplayed.

You know, it just, just in general in
the episode, I guess it's like, oh,

he's not doing this thing anymore.

He's doing an interdimensional portal
and he's kind of bring a big monster

Leech: through quick rush
to him being a psychopath.

Doing it for if you're in country and
now I'm a psychopath and I'm crazy.

And then crunch.

So

Daniel: crunch was funny.

That made me laugh.

Leech: That was, I mean, they're not
showing, you know, blood and cuts and,

you know, broken bone sticking out of
arms, but they made that crunch sound.

Accurate sounding from what I could tell.

Daniel: And that reminded me of
one last really cool thing was

captain Carter and her sword.

I thought that was a great

Leech: touch.

How have we not talked about

Daniel: that?

Came out of nowhere, you know,
did she pull it from the wall?

Was okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

Leech: Yeah, it was like on one of
those like, uh, mantle arrangements

with like the shield and the, I
think there's one or two swords, but.

Ooh.

She's lucky that wasn't a fake.

Yeah, that is, that is a great look.

Cause it's some of the

Daniel: shots with her,
like holding it up.

Leech: It was just kind of, okay,
this is silly and I'm sure people are

going to make comments on this, but
I'm just like, oh yeah, it's a shield.

And normally you have a sword with that.

That's just like, okay.

I felt really silly thinking it.

Cause it's like,

Daniel: thought I'm like, how did we
never see captain America with a sword?

Because you have a shield.

It's a shield goes with the
sword or whatever the animators,

you know, the director, you're
probably like, that's funny.

This never happened.

Okay.

So we get something new.

It works

Leech: so well, not silly leech.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I feel so silly.

Like 90% of the time we
do this podcast, so yeah.

Yeah.

Oh man.

But yeah, it was a great look.

It was incredible and she
came right back out with it.

So yeah, that's something I'd want to see

Daniel: part of the, the outfit now.

Like it's almost like goes together.

I loved it.

I loved it.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah,

Leech: well, I think that's
going to do it for this episode.

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Leech: We'd also like to think Nick Sandy,
for the use of our theme song, which

is his rendition of the Avengers theme,
you could find more of his work on his

SoundCloud, which is linked in the show.

That's going to do it.

Thank you so much for
listening and thank you, Ms.

Daniel: Daniel.

Thank you leach.

It's been a blast as always,

Leech: and we'll see you all next week.

Okay.

So if there is a moment in your
life that had this like definitive

choice, like, okay, let's say this
podcast, what do you think was that

deciding factor for us to start

Daniel: this thing?

You mean?

Like, if things had gone, if this one
little thing had gone a different way.

Okay.

Leech: What if back then?

Cause we were on.

So what if, way back then when we
met on discord, that was trap stream.

That was hap streams.

Discord.

Yeah.

So way back then when we're on
that, like MCU channel here.

Yeah.

Daniel: Yeah.

That's what, that's where that's what if,
what if I hadn't joined the tap stream?

What, what if I had,
what if I hadn't joined?

Leech: He stopped streaming.

Cause he's been streaming for a long

Daniel: time.

Yeah.

What if he stopped streaming, would,
would Trey be doing this podcast?

Who is he?

Who does partner B like who.

Who do you think?

Leech: Jeez, to get like
family to do it or something.

Daniel: He's got a
cousin who loves the MCO.

He

Leech: has mentioned that before.

That'll be great.

No, I can't watch his streams.

He streams full-time it's ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that would be it.

I think it would be like, what
is like, I was just like, I'm not

downloading discord or like I'm not
joining that discord or whatnot.

That would be it.